Chat Gpt And The Broads

[DAVIDH]

It's been all over the news lately that apps such as Chat GPT are going to revolutionise everything we do. I saw an estimate yesterday that up to 40% of jobs in administrative and legal professions could go when it really starts rolling out. Only the "hands-on" occupations would remain relatively untouched. So as a trial, I thought I would log in to Chat GPT (other models are available), and ask it to come up with a cruise plan for a week starting from Brundall. The results are shown below. Have to say, though it's not accurate (and the app signals it cannot be relied upon), generally, it came up with a relatively good plan. It mistook the locations of one or two stopovers, such as offering a lunchtime stop at Ranworth on a journey from Acle to Brundall (to take one day). This example highlights how the app works. It scours the internet, creating a library of information, then regurgitates it "intelligently" when asked for something. Chat GPT also says it has limited knowledge of the world and events after 2021, so if your business opened in 2022, it probably doesn't know about it. 

If you want to have a go, you create an account at https://chat.openai.com/chat, then start asking it what it knows! 

I don't think the world is about to change based on its latest iteration, but as we know, in time, things improve and get better. The main stumbling block apparently, is that the app currently has no means of updating its information library "on the fly". Without the latest information at its "fingertips", it will have its limitations. 

 

Give me a one-week cruise plan on the Norfolk Broads starting and finishing in Brundall

Sure, here's a one-week cruise plan for the Norfolk Broads starting and finishing in Brundall:

Day 1: Brundall to Reedham

Depart Brundall and head south towards Reedham

Stop at Surlingham Ferry House for lunch

Continue on to Reedham and moor up for the night

Day 2: Reedham to Beccles

Leave Reedham and head southeast towards Beccles

Stop at the Waveney River Centre for lunch

Continue on to Beccles and moor up for the night

Day 3: Beccles to Oulton Broad

Depart Beccles and head west towards Oulton Broad

Stop at Somerleyton for lunch and visit Somerleyton Hall

Continue on to Oulton Broad and moor up for the night

Day 4: Oulton Broad to Wroxham

Leave Oulton Broad and head north towards Wroxham

Stop at Lowestoft for lunch and visit the East Anglia Transport Museum

Continue on to Wroxham and moor up for the night

Day 5: Wroxham to Horning

Depart Wroxham and head northwest towards Horning

Stop at Hoveton Hall Gardens for lunch

Continue on to Horning and moor up for the night

Day 6: Horning to Acle

Leave Horning and head east toward Acle

Stop at Ludham Bridge for lunch and visit St. Benet's Abbey

Continue on to Acle and moor up for the night

Day 7: Acle to Brundall

Depart Acle and head north towards Brundall

Stop at Ranworth Broad for lunch and visit the Ranworth Church and Nature Reserve

Continue on to Brundall and moor up for the night

This itinerary covers some of the best sights and attractions in the Norfolk Broads, while also allowing for plenty of time to relax and enjoy the scenery. Of course, feel free to adjust the plan based on your own interests and preferences.

[Smoggy]

Trouble is it is scouring the net and learning from a dubious source at best, half of what is on the net is complete lies.

[YnysMon]

The things about the plan that I thought were a bit iffy about the plan were:

Day 1 - Surlingham Ferry House isn't exactly on the way to Reedham, though not that far out of the way.

Day 3 - Similarly Somerlayton for lunch isn't on the way from Beccles to Oulton Broad, but again feasible.

Day 4 - How are you supposed to get to Lowestoft if you have left Oulton Broad and are on your way to Wroxham?

Day 5 - Hoveton Hall Gardens for lunch - are you supposed to get a taxi?

I don't think I'd be relying on Chat GTP just yet, and of course I don't suppose tides come into it!

[DAVIDH]

5 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Trouble is it is scouring the net and learning from a dubious source at best, half of what is on the net is complete lies.

Absolutely, and therein lies the weakness. The media are selling us a vision of machines taking over the world, but I don't see that just yet

[Lulu]

Day 4 is very interesting! 

[petersjoy]

I'm sure day 7's not feesable too.

 

[DAVIDH]

7 minutes ago, YnysMon said:

I don't think I'd be relying on Chat GTP just yet, and of course I don't suppose tides come into it!

That demonstrates its lack of cognitive thinking. It knows you need to travel from Acle to Brundall, but doesn't allow for the state of the tides, or even give a warning that you could sheer the top of the boat off en route. This is not to write off the application. I'm sure it will improve over time. The app is free to use. I can see big businesses taking it and improving it to their needs.

[Vaughan]

1 hour ago, DAVIDH said:

Depart Acle and head north towards Brundall

That says it all for me!

What this app obviously knows nothing about is TIDES.

[annv]

Hi Or distances. John

[oldgregg]

No, indeed, and that kind of knowledge isn't going to be ready anytime soon.

The media are massively overstating the impact of it for now, but it will get better.

All it's really doing is scouring a snapshot of the internet and making sense of different articles about a topic and coming up with a view based on those disparate sources.

Where it's at currently is a public beta - They've spent years training the AI and now they're getting feedback from real-world users which will help refine the tech.

I don't think it'll steal anyone's job just yet, but it's being plugged into the internet and it will get smarter.

[Ray]

It's interesting stuff though, despite errors we can all spot as real world residents, it has come up with a plan that is at least adaptable.... imagine asking Goggle the same question just a couple of years ago!

Progress always starts somewhere, give it a few years and it will probably take into account the problems we have seen and book your reservations along the route for you!

[Smoggy]

I'll be voting for Sarah Connor in the next election just in case....

I'll be back!

[DAVIDH]

The thing for me is it's stealing content from websites, then representing it as it's own. At the moment, There's no e commerce plug ins, but that will change. Interestingly, it's forecast it will have the effect of forcing down salaries for those who have and trade on specialist knowledge, rather than their jobs becoming extinct. Probably because it's recognised those eyes will still be needed to "proof check" what's presented.

 

[Ray]

It may, alternatively, have the effect of specialist knowledge no longer being published on the internet, from which we'd all be the poorer.

Presumably attribution is something that can be sorted in the software, let's hope so.

[kpnut]

58 minutes ago, Ray said:

Progress always starts somewhere, give it a few years and it will probably take into account the problems we have seen and book your reservations along the route for you!

Progress in the loosest form. I’d rather not have progress like this as humans are lazy enough without having to think for themselves as well!!!

But for a machine, that was actually pretty impressive. 
 

I’ve just finished reading the thriller ‘Origin’ by Dan Brown (he wrote the DaVinci Code etc). It was very much along the same lines, with the machine being a cross between a helpful assistant, a bit like Alexa, but with the imperfections ironed out so it learnt as it went along and it could solve problems itself.
I won’t spoil the plot for anyone wanting to read it but it was rather thought-provoking to say the least. 

[Ray]

How tech (and medical) advances affect humans in ways including redundancy and ethics is all part of the fascination for me.

Sounds like a book I should read, thank you for the recommendation 👍

[DAVIDH]

1 hour ago, Ray said:

Presumably attribution is something that can be sorted in the software, let's hope so

Not in this iteration because having learned about the Broads from the web, it re-presents the information in a manner different to what was originally written. In relation to the Norfolk Broads, I can see Hoseasons, Richardsons, Barnes etc all using this type of app to write their specimen itineraries, without having to employ or hire the appropriate content writers. Just one example of the knock-on effects.

[bucket]

Well over 40 years ago, when planning my first voyage of discovery, the tech of the day was rather less tech than it is today! But armed with one of Jarrold's finest (hopefully attached) I spent many, many happy hours pawing through the maps and information and put together an itinerary of where to moor, eat, drink......and even how and when to cross Breydon and back.

I enjoyed the pre holiday planning almost as much as the holiday itself....

Modern technology is fantastic, and the CHAT GPT is likely to have benefits and disbenefits to our lives in many ways, some of which we can't yet imagine......but for me.......give me a map and a guide book (and a pad and pen).....plus tripadvisor for the reviews of course.....I will always prefer to plan my own agenda.....wherever I go.

 

[oldgregg]

1 hour ago, DAVIDH said:

Not in this iteration because having learned about the Broads from the web, it re-presents the information in a manner different to what was originally written. In relation to the Norfolk Broads, I can see Hoseasons, Richardsons, Barnes etc all using this type of app to write their specimen itineraries, without having to employ or hire the appropriate content writers. Just one example of the knock-on effects.

Indeed. I was talking to our marketing team about it the other day and they think it's great for getting a first draft sorted.

It needs the human touch to polish, but saves a lot of time getting to that stage.

[Regulo]

Hmmm, AI. I drive a Tesla (because it suits my purposes admirably, not because I want to save the planet). It has an auto setting for the wipers. When I got the car in September 71, they were totally unusable. But Tesla monitors the whole fleet permanently, and applies AI to update how things work in the real world. I now leave the wipers in auto, and they very rarely don't work as expected. So AI can work well in certain well-defined situations. Whether trawling the public web for base input is a good idea, we'll have to see. 

[DAVIDH]

As a further test, I've just asked for some content for a newsletter that will highlight holidays in May. Spot the significant mistake below. I think what it shows is that the application is good at generating content on a particular subject, but that it's accuracy can't be trusted at the moment, and needs human eyes to proofread it. 

 

Why it would be good to take a Norfolk Broads holiday in May

Taking a Norfolk Broads holiday in May can be a fantastic choice for several reasons:

Pleasant weather: The weather in May is often mild and pleasant, with average temperatures ranging from 12°C to 17°C. This weather is perfect for enjoying the beauty of the Norfolk Broads without it being too hot or too cold.

Beautiful scenery: The Norfolk Broads is a unique wetland area in the UK with over 125 miles of navigable waterways, picturesque landscapes, and diverse wildlife. In May, the scenery is even more stunning, with fresh green foliage, blooming wildflowers, and birdlife in abundance.

Fewer crowds: May is still considered a low season for tourism in the Norfolk Broads, which means you can enjoy the peace and quiet of this tranquil location. You can explore the Broads at your leisure and avoid the summer crowds.

Boating: The Norfolk Broads is famous for its boating experiences, and May is a great time to rent a boat and explore the waterways. The boat traffic is much lighter than in the summer months, so you can navigate more comfortably and take your time enjoying the sights.

Fishing: Fishing is a popular activity in the Norfolk Broads, and May is an excellent time for anglers. With the warmer weather, fish are more active, and the chances of catching fish are high.

Local events: In May, the Norfolk Broads hosts various events and festivals, such as the Broads Outdoor Festival, which offers a range of outdoor activities and guided tours, and the Norfolk & Norwich Festival, which celebrates music, arts, and culture.

In summary, taking a Norfolk Broads holiday in May can provide you with an opportunity to enjoy the beautiful scenery, pleasant weather, and numerous outdoor activities without the summer crowds.

[ExSurveyor]

I have a question.

Is this really AI or just the result of extensive high level programming.

Is any current program truly capable of independent conclusions that aren't the result of programming.

[oldgregg]

20 minutes ago, ExSurveyor said:

Is this really AI or just the result of extensive high level programming.

All of it is based on code that people - very clever people, but people nonetheless - have written, and the engine has been trained on content from the web.

That's the bit that joe public don't get.

It has taken decades to get AI to where it is now and it will become more self aware but basically it's learning how to ingest information, apply it to a particular scenario and learn from that to build its knowledge. Which is what we do really...

[unclemike]

1 hour ago, DAVIDH said:

Fishing: Fishing is a popular activity in the Norfolk Broads, and May is an excellent time for anglers. With the warmer weather, fish are more active, and the chances of catching fish are high.

forgive me if im wrong but isn't may closed season for fishing?

[BroadAmbition]

Yes, closed fishing season is from mid March to mid June

Gtiff