Sunken Sail Boat On Barton Broad

[Liberty]

Love Bosham.  And the Anchor Bleu   Picnics at East Head.  Smashing.

[ChrisB]

9 hours ago, JennyMorgan said:

Chris, just curious, why would you loose the main sheet at sea if there is nothing to snarl it on?

I have done it Peter. We came to a very abrupt stop on Chichester Bar. The boom swung so hard, hit the starboard shrouds and the main sheet screeeemed out passing though most of the blocks.  The flood tide then rounded the stern so we were abeam to the weather. We let loose the halyard and got it under control. It was however a very benign day, we were all in our late 20s, so forty years ago, fit and very strong. I know that I could not handle that situation now even given pretty calm conditions. Maybe the helms regard for the well being of his hands was to blame.

[ChrisB]

[Poppy]

Having learned a little more about the incident, there was no jammer or stopper knot - just a novice on the helm, who in the panic of the moment did absolutely the opposite to what his very experienced crew instructed.

As for releasing the halliard.... has anyone ever tried ducking down about 3 - 4 feet under water whilst wearing a fully inflated life jacket?

[Viking23]

When I was younger and sailed with my father in a Sunstar 18, we always used a figure of 8 stopper knot on all the sheets, the jib sheet running through a jamming cleat, never had any problems on the Broads, but then we never got that close to posts etc

If we had loose jib sheets, a flapping genoa and a rope in the water would have pulled the jib sheet through the pulley near the cockpit.

No control over the sail, could have resulted in a greater risk situation, especially if someone had to go forward and tried to grab a jib sheet, whilst thralling around.

Had a few lashes in the past lol.

We also had snap shackles on the jib, but sometimes used to snag on the rigging, sometimes undoing, so my father fitted clear hose for a few feet on the lower shrouds, which seemed to stop that if I recall.

Happy days, I miss the challenge of sailing.

 

Richard

[teadaemon]

2 hours ago, Poppy said:

Having learned a little more about the incident, there was no jammer or stopper knot - just a novice on the helm, who in the panic of the moment did absolutely the opposite to what his very experienced crew instructed.

As for releasing the halliard.... has anyone ever tried ducking down about 3 - 4 feet under water whilst wearing a fully inflated life jacket?

It's going back to a much older topic, but that's one of the reasons why I favour a manual inflation lifejacket - I've got the buoyancy if I need it, but don't have to deal with the bulk and movement restrictions if I don't need to.

[JennyMorgan]

6 hours ago, ChrisB said:

Our boat sheds were in the farm behind the photographer! 

[JennyMorgan]

3 hours ago, Poppy said:

Having learned a little more about the incident, there was no jammer or stopper knot - just a novice on the helm, who in the panic of the moment did absolutely the opposite to what his very experienced crew instructed.

As for releasing the halliard.... has anyone ever tried ducking down about 3 - 4 feet under water whilst wearing a fully inflated life jacket?

Silly bugger! Take life jacket off and make life a great deal easier for the salvage crew.

[JennyMorgan]

2 hours ago, Viking23 said:

When I was younger and sailed with my father in a Sunstar 18, we always used a figure of 8 stopper knot on all the sheets, the jib sheet running through a jamming cleat, never had any problems on the Broads, but then we never got that close to posts etc

If we had loose jib sheets, a flapping genoa and a rope in the water would have pulled the jib sheet through the pulley near the cockpit.

No control over the sail, could have resulted in a greater risk situation, especially if someone had to go forward and tried to grab a jib sheet, whilst thralling around.

Had a few lashes in the past lol.

We also had snap shackles on the jib, but sometimes used to snag on the rigging, sometimes undoing, so my father fitted clear hose for a few feet on the lower shrouds, which seemed to stop that if I recall.

Happy days, I miss the challenge of sailing.

 

Richard

Hi Richard, those Sunstars are surprisingly good boats, I have good memories of an 18. Never rated its looks but it sailed well. Friend of mine went to America in his, eventually arriving in one piece. 

I always have stopper knots on my jib sheets, even on the Broads, but with the long boom on a Broads gaffer, as opposed to the relatively short boom on a Sunstar, I reckon stopper knot free is best.

[JanetAnne]

10 hours ago, Poppy said:

... has anyone ever tried ducking down about 3 - 4 feet under water whilst wearing a fully inflated life jacket?

Frequently, it's the only way to get the wife's foot off my head 

[BroadScot]

4 minutes ago, JanetAnne said:

Frequently, it's the only way to get the wife's foot off my head 

You poor boat, sunk without trace. 

Iain

[Vaughan]

On 21 Jul 2016 at 11:16 AM, HemsbyPie said:

Oi 'er sin wun 'er them afore, yer know.

Oi reckun thass wun er them "Yair an Beures".

[JennyMorgan]

3 hours ago, Vaughan said:

Oi 'er sin wun 'er them afore, yer know.

Oi reckun thass wun er them "Yair an Beures".

Oi wun'er wot doddery ole fuel dun a hully clever fing loik tha'?

Blas' me, there's toid loin on tha' sell, bugger me, she musta bin ontha bo'om fer fifftin ares, we'r hully laet!

[BroadScot]

Our bi - linguist Gracie, will translate in the fullest of time, eh Grace? 

Iain

[Gracie]

JM's first line reads.......I wonder what doddery old fool done a bloody clever thing like that (I think)........the rest is gobbledegook to me lol

It's taken me three years to understand the Scots talk thank you very much

Grace

[Vaughan]

1 hour ago, BroadScot said:

 

Our bi - linguist Gracie, will translate in the fullest of time, eh Grace? 

 

Doon chew lot know ho 'er talk praarper?

A so called "white boat" is a Yare and Bure one-design.

Peter has noticed (astutely) that as there is a tide mark on the sail, it was probably sunk about fifteen hours before the photo was taken.

I would say "please try to keep up" but I am sure I would fare no better if I went north of Hadrian's Wall.

Here speaks a man whose first wife is Scots!

 

[BroadScot]

Broad Ayrshire is no fur the faint herted Vaughan, even fur me a Burnsite! Oot in the darkest perts oh the coonty they say such weird wurds as tway fur twa. Confuzzlin a can  tell ye.

As fur the ither side oh Auld Scotia, thay hay a language awe of their ain ! Howe'r am quite sure Grace will have nae boather translatin ye ken. 

Iain

P.s. Thank you for the Narfolk translation 

[Timbo]

Yow see, 'o avoid 'hese kind f calami'ies ois qui'e easy. Waa yow do ois tairke thur big flappy 'hin' orff thur 'op f thur boo. Upcycle tha' usin' a needle and 'hread 'oornin' tha' in'o usable under gaarmen's for thur wife. 'hen ins'all one f 'hem 'here engine 'hin's which will allow yow 'o goo up and down thur river and save all tha messin' abou' gorn side 'o side  and ge'tin' all 'angled up.

[Vaughan]

3 hours ago, BroadScot said:

As fur the ither side oh Auld Scotia, thay hay a language awe of their ain !

There's not much going on here today, so let me go off piste again, with a true story of my school days. The Nautical College Pangbourne had a chaplain who was ex wartime R.N., and when in a cassock and surplice he wore an impressive array of medal ribbons. He had the most dour and dry sense of humour I have ever known and whilst he was never seen to smile, he had us all in stitches with everything he said. Maybe that was because we couldn't see him smile behind his thick, flowing red beard.

His name was Joe Laxton but to all of us he was Red Fred the Sinister Minister. When we assembled in the mess hall for meals he would say Grace, and often quoted Rabbie Burns. One of his favourites was "Some hae meat but canna eat, and some would ain that want it. But ye hae meat and ye can eat. And sae the Lord be thankit". I hope I have spelled that right as I have never seen it written down.

Pangbourne had a Captain Superintendent instead of a headmaster and he was a serious and imposing Captain RN, who had been "Captain D" of a destroyer flotilla in the Med during the war, although we didn't know that at the time, as he never spoke of it.

When Red Fred was not there at meals the Captain would say Grace, but as a specialist signals officer, he was rather more brief and to the point. He preferred "We thank the Lord for our meat and gravy : we thank the Lord for the Royal Navy!"  If he was in a particular hurry to sit down he would just say "Thank God!" To which 400 young cadets would shout "Amen!"

The day came when we all assembled for lunch and stood up as the staff filed in and took their places at the top table, with the Captain in the centre and the Padre normally at the far right. There followed a long silence, after which the Captain leant forward and looked to his right. Red Fred was not there. The Captain drew himself back up to his full uniformed height and announced "No Padre. THANK GOD."

And 400 young seamen bellowed "AMEN!"

[BroadScot]

Well done Vaughan on your rendering of the Selkirk Grace 

Some hae meat and canna eat,

And some wad eat that want it,

But we hae meat and we can eat,

Sae let the Lord be thankit

 

Hardly an error am well impressed sir ! 

Iain