Andrewcook Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I was not aware that Herbert Woods prioritise there own Boats Pump First as to the as Hirers will have to wait when ever it suites them to it . I did not have any problem last Year with the Pump on our Boat. They also turn round and said to me other Boat Yards do the same prioritise is this True or not? I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 If a yards busy Andrew like on a turnaround day, I'm sure they would prioritise there own boats 1st as they are working to a tight timeline. If fact I'm sure a lot of yards actively discourage visiting craft on such days. Barnes use to have signs up to that fact. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 49 minutes ago, Andrewcook said: I was not aware that Herbert Woods prioritise there own Boats Pump First as to the as Hirers will have to wait when ever it suites them to it . I did not have any problem last Year with the Pump on our Boat. They also turn round and said to me other Boat Yards do the same prioritise is this True or not? I Sorry but I would have thought that was obvious, dont understand why so many hire boats want a pump out unless you are out for 2 weeks, we manage 14 days at a time and only then pump out to keep it sweet. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeCabby Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 As privateers , we try to use shore based facilities where possible , plus we know where they are situated , many hirers are not used to limited capacity for waste “water” , nor where there are facilities ashore . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikertov Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Hirers probably don't realise how much / little waste they generate, so would get a pump out as a precaution ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwanR Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 As a hirer, if you have no gauge on the boat to tell you whether you need a pump out, and if your own yard will do it for free, then if you’re passing you might decide to stop and get it done anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, CambridgeCabby said: As privateers , we try to use shore based facilities where possible , plus we know where they are situated , many hirers are not used to limited capacity for waste “water” , nor where there are facilities ashore . Partly because of lack partly because of choice of moorings we never use shore moorings and never did as hirers. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said: Sorry but I would have thought that was obvious, dont understand why so many hire boats want a pump out unless you are out for 2 weeks, we manage 14 days at a time and only then pump out to keep it sweet. Fred A lot of new boats take grey waste from wash basins, showers and the sink into the black water tank, which obviously fills it more quickly than older hire boats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I recently read a holiday tail from someone on a week's boating holiday posted on trip advisor. They had 3 pump out over the course of the week. Also another one from somebody who was convinced both the water and waste gauges were faulty on his particular boat. I've only ever had need to have one pump out and that was because my young son hadn't shut of the water valve properly. When the guys finished pumping the boat out they didn't charge me because they could see it was just fresh water. Even on my stag doo none of the 3 boats we'd hired needed pumping out and there was some considerable drinking that weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, SwanR said: As a hirer, if you have no gauge on the boat to tell you whether you need a pump out, and if your own yard will do it for free, then if you’re passing you might decide to stop and get it done anyway. Fair enough and when we hired if you were out for 2 weeks you got the pump out refunded that's understandable but not boats that have only been out for 3 or 4 days, perhaps its just me or maybe the yards instruction but I don't recall it ever being a problem. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said: Fair enough and when we hired if you were out for 2 weeks you got the pump out refunded that's understandable but not boats that have only been out for 3 or 4 days, perhaps its just me or maybe the yards instruction but I don't recall it ever being a problem. Fred Totally agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, SwanR said: As a hirer, if you have no gauge on the boat to tell you whether you need a pump out, and if your own yard will do it for free, then if you’re passing you might decide to stop and get it done anyway. In my day. Gauges, none. The water tank. The wonder tank. You allways wondered what was in it. The fuel tank. A stick. Never failed. Never confused. The toilet tank. The nose. A bit of kit which was invaluable. A sniff, a sniff recognised by all. Every soul was on QRA (quick reaction alert) for a pump out. Andrew 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 With a drop through toilet the ear works quite well just listen for the splash, it would seem now days we have become to reliant on technology rather than applying the senses we relied on for generations. Fred 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Gauges lie lol I guess there are certain circumstances where individual 'requirements' vary.. we mostly work on the "better safe than sorry" principle. I admire the.. um, constitution, of those able to manage a fortnight between pump outs, delicacy forbids further enquiry lol 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, Ray said: . . . . . . . . . .I admire the.. um, constitution, of those able to manage a fortnight between pump outs, delicacy forbids further enquiry lol Diplomatically put, Ray!! Nice one!! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keebz Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Wussername said: In my day. Gauges, none. The water tank. The wonder tank. You allways wondered what was in it. The fuel tank. A stick. Never failed. Never confused. The toilet tank. The nose. A bit of kit which was invaluable. A sniff, a sniff recognised by all. Every soul was on QRA (quick reaction alert) for a pump out. Andrew Agree 100% there’s probably no reason to over complicate river cruisers on the broads less to break = less to maintain = more beer tokens 🍺👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, Ray said: Gauges lie lol I guess there are certain circumstances where individual 'requirements' vary.. we mostly work on the "better safe than sorry" principle. I admire the.. um, constitution, of those able to manage a fortnight between pump outs, delicacy forbids further enquiry lol I guess it possibly depends on the equasion between the number of occupants and toilets/holding tanks, I also find the odd top up of blue helps, that's one advantage that comes with experience even from my hiring days. Fred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YnysMon Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 We did manage a fortnight without a pump out on Moonlight Shadow about an year ago. There is a warning indicator on the loo and that stayed green the whole fortnight and there wasn’t any noticeable smell. However, my son unexpectedly joined us for the second week and was using the en suite to the rear cabin, so we made sure to use that loo during the day once he was with us. I guess that must have ‘evened things out’ a bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Another component that comes with experience is the amount of clean water used when flushing, you need far less than many would think, a bit like showers if used sensibly, I am sure to many behave as though they were still on mains at home, understandable with first timers but would expect others to learn the difference. Fred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annv Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Hi You can save by using a five lt plastic oil can for wee just empty over board when half full and very handy when single sailing you dont have to leave the helm. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Andrew- You should have called in at Maycraft - Never a queue there, friendly and you are helping out a small yard Griff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewcook Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 I forgot. May Craft do Pump out with out any problems what's so ever thanks for that Griff . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanessan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 19 hours ago, andyg said: If a yards busy Andrew like on a turnaround day, I'm sure they would prioritise there own boats 1st as they are working to a tight timeline. If fact I'm sure a lot of yards actively discourage visiting craft on such days. Barnes use to have signs up to that fact. Brooms seem to have finally settled their kiosk opening hours as 10.00 - 17.00 daily. The hours used to vary according to whether it was a changeover day or not. This obviously gives them time to get their own hire boats sorted out with pumpouts, water and fuel on return and the quayside is then free for visiting craft. Seems to work ok. Just a reminder, when we were last there (last month) there was a sign saying card payments only from end of October. That includes a £3 water fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 22 hours ago, rightsaidfred said: Sorry but I would have thought that was obvious, dont understand why so many hire boats want a pump out unless you are out for 2 weeks, we manage 14 days at a time and only then pump out to keep it sweet. Fred Firstly, there's no standard size of tank and the design of some vessels made smaller tanks necessary as there was just no space. Tranquil Freedom had a particularly small tank which would rarely last a week and much less if the boat was stacked out. Secondly, most tanks have no level meter. Thirdly, many yards advise a mid-week pump out which will vastly reduce the likelihood of a call out for "potti training" issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Oddfellow said: Firstly, there's no standard size of tank and the design of some vessels made smaller tanks necessary as there was just no space. Tranquil Freedom had a particularly small tank which would rarely last a week and much less if the boat was stacked out. Secondly, most tanks have no level meter. Thirdly, many yards advise a mid-week pump out which will vastly reduce the likelihood of a call out for "potti training" issues. In nearly 30 years of hiring we never had a problem and was only ever advised to have a pump out when out for 2 weeks the cost of which was refunded on return, horses for courses I suppose. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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