JennyMorgan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/fire-at-griffin-pub-thorpe-st-andrew-6911410 One from Vaughan's formative years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Could be convenient for the owners... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 47 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said: One from Vaughan's formative years? I have no memories whatever of that place! It used to be a frightful dive. Even my father wouldn't go in it and that's saying something! Its big attraction to developers is that it has a back garden the size of a field, but planning for houses has been a problem as there is always pressure to keep it as a pub. So as Smoggy says, this may come as no surprise . . . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The owners seem to think it's vandals. Emergency services called at 08.43. Blimey, your Norfolk vandals get up early don't they? And in winter. They need the guy from the original Italian Job to try and "blow the bladdy doors off". Should they rename it The Phoenix? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Careful folks, I got modded once for suggeting that! Although there was a similar fire in the area recently, old school I think. But sadly it's amazing how many 'awkward' buildings mysteriously seem to catch fire...... (usually the day after they are listed or an ACV is approved) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, NorfolkNog said: Although there was a similar fire in the area recently, old school I think. That was my old prep school. Beech Hill House, then Langley Junior School, which merged with Taverham Hall a few years ago. Now owned by a developer and now sure enough, about to be demolished as it is now "insecure" from vandalism. The same sort of thing happened to Thorpe Old Hall when Jenners closed down. It seems that "vandalism" can be convenient sometimes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Of course this is completely unrelated to the above but a pub quite close to me had been closed for a few years awaiting planning permission..... Some locals may have been a tad suspicious and the below appeared on the hoardings. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Same thing happened along southend seafront, a famous old pub/venue called the esplanade was finally burnt to the ground after two previous attempts a few years back. Funny that 🤔 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wussername Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Vaughan said: That was my old prep school. Beech Hill House, then Langley Junior School, which merged with Taverham Hall a few years ago. Now owned by a developer and now sure enough, about to be demolished as it is now "insecure" from vandalism. The same sort of thing happened to Thorpe Old Hall when Jenners closed down. It seems that "vandalism" can be convenient sometimes. Pinebanks is yet another example Vaughan. The arsonist of our heritage, the very heart of Thorpe St Andrew seems to have been ripped away by so many. Without a care or consideration. I once read that the people from Norwich would travel to the River Green. By boat, a steamer type boat. Or a tram, to the pub called the Redan. (sounds poetic, and it was) I can remember that immaculate line of moored Hearts cruisers, the pride of the village green with its hanging baskets. Indeed the festival days, the slippery pole across rhe River. Nobby Clark, Nutty Slack, The people, oh! the people, the music, the crowds. The boats bedecked with flags. Carnival day Festival Day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helian Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Vaughan said: 3 hours ago, NorfolkNog said: Although there was a similar fire in the area recently, old school I think. That was my old prep school. Beech Hill House, then Langley Junior School, which merged with Taverham Hall a few years ago. Now owned by a developer and now sure enough, about to be demolished as it is now "insecure" from vandalism My old prep school too..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I have been expecting this building to be torched for months and months. I am told that part of the building is listed which makes it very hard to redevelop it. Unless, it's ash, of course. Today's fire is thought by the police to be arson: no doodoo sherlock. It also looks like the fire was put out quite quickly; lots of smoke but few visible flames. The owners will be gutted if the pub hasn't been, allegedly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Wussername said: Pinebanks is yet another example Vaughan. I was going to mention Pinebanks. A very large house, with a tall brick and stone tower known as Jarrolds Tower, which was very prominent on the skyline and was said to be a folly, built so that the Jarrolds could see the sea. That got demolished by the developers as well, after it had been "rendered unsafe" by "vandalism". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnoar Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On a more positive note I think I read that the Iron Duke at North Denes is being saved for some alternative use. Now I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be, or maybe it is, so many of that era have gone, even if not a pub it’s nice to save the building as before you know it they’ve all gone and all people do is remember... for a while at least, except when the memory dies with them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Vaughan said: I have no memories whatever of that place! It used to be a frightful dive. Even my father wouldn't go in it and that's saying something! Back in time I remember it as a bikers pub, later it allegedly hired rooms by the half hour, presumably to folk who liked to take a cat-nap! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The pub is owned by one of the Pub Co's - can't remember which one. All too familiar story unfortunately. 2 hours ago, Turnoar said: On a more positive note I think I read that the Iron Duke at North Denes is being saved for some alternative use. My understanding is that a group have got hold of it and hope to bring it back to use. I think eventually GY council have been prodded into action. As I understand it it had been acquired by Bourne Leisure who also own the adjacent camp. They played dog in the manger - refused to sell it as they didn't want it to compete with the bar on their camp. i think they bowed under pressure eventually. Its a miracle that wasn't torched either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNog Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, NorfolkNog said: The pub is owned by one of the Pub Co's Enterprise (or Ei as they like to be known now) Say no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 hours ago, JennyMorgan said: Back in time I remember it as a bikers pub, later it allegedly hired rooms by the half hour, presumably to folk who liked to take a cat-nap! I asked the Nuns to explain this to me but they refused. However, one of the older ones commented that in her experience, half an hour was not nearly long enough??? ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, floydraser said: However, one of the older ones commented that in her experience, half an hour was not nearly long enough??? Agreed, for a cat-nap forty-five minutes is far more acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Interestingly, the Griffin is just within the BA planning area whereas the Buck, on the north side of the Yarmouth Rd, is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEM Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Smoggy said: Could be convenient for the owners... What in Germany is referred to (translated) as "warm renovation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEM Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 13 hours ago, FreedomBoatingHols said: Today's fire is thought by the police to be arson: no doodoo sherlock. As they frequently used to say in "The Men from the Ministry": there has been a lot of arson about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I believe it was Arthur Daley who said "Would a fire help?" A common occurrence in Felixstowe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Aha, Nutty Slack!!! My parents used to keep a boat at Nobby's and I pedalled up and down the river on "Nutty" a few times - I was a bit little in those days and I remember the pedals were a bit of a stretch to say the least! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceSwinger Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Turnoar said: On a more positive note I think I read that the Iron Duke at North Denes is being saved for some alternative use. Now I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be, or maybe it is, so many of that era have gone, even if not a pub it’s nice to save the building as before you know it they’ve all gone and all people do is remember... for a while at least, except when the memory dies with them. I drove past it last September on a bit of a detour from Burgh Castle up or Ormesby St Margeret (for the Smokehouse, good food) and remember what a wonderfully striking building it was. Around here old buildings don't have to be torched, the council are only too happy to see buildings torn down if it keeps the uni and students' landlords happy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bytheriver Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Vaughan said: Interestingly, the Griffin is just within the BA planning area whereas the Buck, on the north side of the Yarmouth Rd, is not. Definitely in Broadland There is an application in early Dec 2020 for demolition with BA as neighbour & Parish Council having no objection. Should it go to Committee it can be viewed on YouTube 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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