JanetAnne Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Southern Belle went down yesterday teatime Considering how exposed the area is I think we got off light. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea14Ian Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 What happened to Southern Belle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 Sorry, poor quality picture. It's sat on the bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 There you go Ian, especially for you 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobster Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Let’s hope it’s lifted quicker than yellowtail was !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I wouldn't like to have the job of raising that! Was she sunk by the wave action, from the wind across the broad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Vaughan said: Was she sunk by the wave action, from the wind across the broad? That sounds a bit worrying, surely it must have some kind of MCA coding for carrying fare paying passengers, I'd have thought it would be up to a lot more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobster Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I don’t think it’s carried an passengers for a good few years, so I doubt it’s covered by anything now. Apart from water! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetAnne Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Vaughan said: I wouldn't like to have the job of raising that! Was she sunk by the wave action, from the wind across the broad? That's pretty accurate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Smoggy said: I'd have thought it would be up to a lot more than that. I wasn't there of course, but the forecast looked as though the first of the storm would be blowing south westerly, right down the broad from the entrance. This would whip up quite large waves by the time it got to The Wherry. The boat is purely a river boat, with a very low freeboard and was moored beam on to the wind. Doesn't need much to guess the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulN Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Vaughan said: I wasn't there of course, but the forecast looked as though the first of the storm would be blowing south westerly, right down the broad from the entrance. This would whip up quite large waves by the time it got to The Wherry. The boat is purely a river boat, with a very low freeboard and was moored beam on to the wind. Doesn't need much to guess the rest. Agreed, the storm was a south westerly, but surely that would mean that the fetch for the waves would be from Everitt Park and the Yacht Station, not very far at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobster Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 As usual with a south westerly, the waves came down the broad from the north bay, refracting off the north an bank and smashing all along the eastern edge of the broad. The swell was close to 1m at times. with no where to go but back out into the broad creating a double up effect all along that eastern side of the broad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulN Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Sorry, we will just have to differ on that one then. Waves come from the wind direction, i.e. in this case south west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YnysMon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, PaulN said: Sorry, we will just have to differ on that one then. Waves come from the wind direction, i.e. in this case south west. I don’t think it’s that simple. If the wind is blowing toward a narrowing area of water it will probably amplify the effect, even if the narrower area is around a bend. Sorry, I know I’ve not described that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I can remember from physics at school, its possible to get waves to do remarkable things, we even had practical experiments with wave tanks showing where the waves doubled in height due to the reflections from obstacles, so waves in an enclosed area can often be predictably unpredictable 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizG Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 We had waves on our tiny pond yesterday. In 2010 I persuaded a friend to accompany me in WR to Oulton Week. We booked a mooring from the Harbour master just off the Wherry. He said it was secure a train wheel! On the Monday a hoolie blew up during the end of the cruiser race and the waves were terrifying and as soon as possible we retreated to the Dutch Tea Gardens for 48 hours before we got back across Breydon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobster Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, PaulN said: Sorry, we will just have to differ on that one then. Waves come from the wind direction, i.e. in this case south west. The waves were coming down the broad from the south west, but due to all the concrete and steel that lines the northern bank of the broad, the waves are reflected back at there angle of incidence. This would have changed the wave direction to a nice South Easterly direction, directly onto the beam of Southern Bell as described by Vaughan above. This would appear to be what happened yesterday. Is also worth considering, with the wind strength yesterday any waves coming back from the eastern banks meeting the incoming waves made the area in front of the Lock gates, Wherry Hotel & and River Tours moorings very rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 It is called Constructive Interference. Where two waves meet of similar wave length and phase, a new wave is formed with a height (Amplitude) = to the sum of their individual heights. In the physics lab mentioned by Grendel this would be double. You just have to watch the return wave off a sea wall meeting one incoming to see this adding height effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 It is also worth noting that at the height of the storm when the strongest winds blew their direction moved from SW to between WSW and W, before settling back to SW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, ChrisB said: It is called Constructive Interference. Where two waves meet of similar wave length and phase, a new wave is formed with a height (Amplitude) = to the sum of their individual heights. In the physics lab mentioned by Grendel this would be double. You just have to watch the return wave off a sea wall meeting one incoming to see this adding height effect. thinking back, to school we did some cool stuff back then in physics, we even had an air rifle to play do experiments with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Yes,the lab workwas practical and instructional. The collapsing oil can for one. I am not sure what the HSE would say about open dishes of mercury which we floated old pennies in with a needle attached for magnetic field experiments though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, grendel said: thinking back, to school we did some cool stuff back then in physics . . . . . . . . . Yeah . . . . . . . . . . . . . I remember them. The Van de Graaff generator was one (and I don’t mean the 60’s prog rock band!). Put your hands on the dome as the teacher turned the crank and your hair stood up. All was well until you were told to take one hand off the dome and touch a classmate! Electrifying!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeePee1952 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Mouldy said: Yeah . . . . . . . . . . . . . I remember them. The Van de Graaff generator was one (and I don’t mean the 60’s prog rock band!). Put your hands on the dome as the teacher turned the crank and your hair stood up. All was well until you were told to take one hand off the dome and touch a classmate! Electrifying!! Glad I'm not the only one that experienced that!! Those were the days! Bunsen burners galore on the wooden benches in the chemistry lab, setting light to magnesium strips, taking phosporous out of it's jar and watching it combust, oh and not forgetting the dissection of frogs legs in the biology lab! (Must be a bit windy here as I've drifted off topic ) Chris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, CeePee1952 said: . . . . . . . . . . . . (Must be a bit windy here as I've drifted off topic ) Chris Ah, thread drift . . . . . . . . . . I think that’s something we’ve all experienced on here!! 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Did they have any luck raising the southern belle yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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