fishfoxey Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Hi can someone please tell me if the weed filters pictured are standard or as I am thinking a cheap botch, all the pics I have seen are of a basket type arrangement rather than a tube of mesh. When I took them out today all the rubbish just fell into the bod, if I hadn't had a good wet vac I would have struggled to get it out thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfoxey Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Heres a pic of the body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Mine is very similar only its made from nylon and it has a plastic ring around either end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfoxey Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Ah so not a botch then, pretty basic method of filtering then, how do you remove them without all the rubbish dropping in the housing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 looks like the standard filter on a martham boat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddleduck2 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I have a filter like that on my Collins, although the cap is a screw fit.Quite standard in their day. The bronze filters are difficult to find, so look after it. I don't find that the weed drops back into the body, rather than it gets stuck in the body if the filter is full. Happens frequently on a trip to Coltishall and back. Just carry a length of plastic tube to push down the body and out of the hull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeCabby Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 We have just had those converted to the basket type of filters as I found them a pain . They removed the old fitting and fitted new hoses , cost us c.£300 all in (for two of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I actually prefer the old fashioned filters as per Fishfoxey’s photo. It’s not unheard of for the actual inlet to become blocked so it’s easy to push something long down the tube to unblock it. With a basket filter you have to remove the hose to clear this type of blockage, this is normally below the water line which creates more issues ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Agree with Neil - the top of the bronze fitting should be above the waterline, even if only just, so a quick shake will enable all the crud to drop back into the river!!! Not sure I like the newer type system - not much to go wrong and if the valve failed, it still did not flood the boat!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, NeilB said: I actually prefer the old fashioned filters as per Fishfoxey’s photo. So do I but what I prefer even more is the traditional Broads tube filter which is simply an extension of the hull fitting and extends up above the waterline, so you have no need to close the valve, or even stop the engine, to clean the filter. You will also have no problem with air locks, since there is nowhere for the air to get in! The system is "hirer proof" since if you drop the screw cap in the bilges, it doesn't matter! Cambridge Cabby's photo is the Vetus type filter which is designed with a transparent cap so that you can check it for weed just by looking in it. But to enable this, it has to be high up in the bilge, so that you can look in it! This means the pump has to lift the raw water up there, before it goes to the engine. This also means that a small mistake in putting the cap back on and screwing it down will let air in, and the pump will run dry. The little butterfly nut is separate and is very easy to lose in the bilges. The Vetus type filter should always have plenty of water pump grease smeared onto the rubber lid gasket to avoid air leaks. it is also important to make sure you have the lid exactly placed centrally in its seating, before screwing down the fixing nut. These Vetus filters are not "hirer proof" and you will not find many of them fitted in hire boats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshman Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I think Vaughan, the old fashioned Broads ones may no longer be available - mores the pity!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, marshman said: I think Vaughan, the old fashioned Broads ones may no longer be available - mores the pity!! ASAP in Beccles have complete bronze/DZR strainers and plastic inserts - we fitted new inserts a couple of years back when the metal ones disintegrated but the original strainers are still going strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeCabby Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 The troubleI Found with the old type was being fairly low down in the boat I was finding it increasingly more difficult to lean down and clean them out , and without Katie there to help pull myself up again almost impossible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriceMynah Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Would it not have been possible to have had an extension tube mounted on the existing inlet pipe, and the perforated tube replaced with a longer one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 So that's what it is! Thanks fishfoxey, I'll have a look at mine this week when I get over. Anybody: what should I expect to find and what's the best way to clean it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, NeilB said: I actually prefer the old fashioned filters as per Fishfoxey’s photo. It’s not unheard of for the actual inlet to become blocked so it’s easy to push something long down the tube to unblock it. With a basket filter you have to remove the hose to clear this type of blockage, this is normally below the water line which creates more issues ! NOT if you leave the old, original filter stack in place and just remove the filter..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddfellow Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, CambridgeCabby said: We have just had those converted to the basket type of filters as I found them a pain . They removed the old fitting and fitted new hoses , cost us c.£300 all in (for two of them) Start to worry. Seriously. What you have here is NOT a Vetus filter. It's a cheap Osculati one. The inlet of these (the bottom centre) has a turreted centre standoff where the wingnut stud is fixed. This turreted area will block with river weed and prevent cooling, stripping your impeller of blades and causing an overheat. We used one of these ages ago and it caused no end of problems. I recall reading the specs at the time which stated they were NOT suitable for engine cooling though this seems to have changed. Got a close-up photo of the inside of that basket? The good Vetus ones are £100 a pop, these are £30 or so. If the design hasn't changed, I would not recommend them at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I'll second what Andy said, it's what I had on my last boat and most crud gets stuck in the inlet under the stud, crap design, there's 2 in my shed if you want them. I also have a couple of the bronze filter stacks in the original post one with new screen if anyone is after one. Vetus filters have the whole lid screw off with the thread around the outside and don't obstruct the inlet, I have a few coloured plastic balls in mine so the flow is easier to see through the lid, they make for easy winterising too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annv Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Hi I fully agree with Vaughans statement i would add that if the weed drops out of the tube it just goes back in the river unless your silly enough to still be running the engine you don't remove the tube screen with engine running you can however push the weed down into river with a suitable rod, it does however take care when first fitting to hull as the trick is to have the top of tube level with water line so when cap is removed very little water flows into bilge or turn gate valve/ball valve off if below water level absolutely idiot proof. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambridgeCabby Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, FreedomBoatingHols said: Start to worry. Seriously. What you have here is NOT a Vetus filter. It's a cheap Osculati one. The inlet of these (the bottom centre) has a turreted centre standoff where the wingnut stud is fixed. This turreted area will block with river weed and prevent cooling, stripping your impeller of blades and causing an overheat. We used one of these ages ago and it caused no end of problems. I recall reading the specs at the time which stated they were NOT suitable for engine cooling though this seems to have changed. Got a close-up photo of the inside of that basket? The good Vetus ones are £100 a pop, these are £30 or so. If the design hasn't changed, I would not recommend them at all. Will have them checked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keifsmate Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Very handy having a tame engineer for a son. Middle lad is in the process of refurbing the raw water inlet or my Elysian. New seacock and a new weedfilter made by him. Above shows old and new. Following shows new body and filter element. I use a length of 20mm pvc conduit to rod out the weed. Much needed on the Old West section of the Great Ouse in summer. If the lockdown isn't too ongoing, the boat will be coming back to the Broads next year. Getting too old to faff about with the locks on the Gt Ouse, Middle levels and Nen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 not sure about others all i can see are no entry signs where the images should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, grendel said: not sure about others all i can see are no entry signs where the images should be. Yep, same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydraser Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 But if you click on the image to enlage it you get a clearer view... of the no entry sign.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keifsmate Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Repost of photos, I took them from shared photos on Google photos.Have now saved them to a document file so am trying again. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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