Lockdown 2

[Meantime]

4 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said:

The whole reason we have lockdown 2 is because a sizeable minority completely ignored Hands, Face, Space.

Agreed

I do get that going out on your own boat or even working on it is not a high risk action.

Agreed

Unfortunately we have all been penalized because some sections of society can't follow the basics.

Agreed

But it is your choice whether you penalise yourself further by restricting yourself over and above the requirements of the law, which does not prevent you from using your boat, providing you don't stay overnight on it.

[Poppy]

2 hours ago, Vaughan said:

CC, I thoroughly agree with you, but perhaps I should quote the rest of MM's option 3/ :

See people die who wouldn't otherwise have done so.

That includes those whose treatment for other ailments such as cancer, heart disease, liver and kidneys, have had their treatment put into abeyance in specialised hospitals such as Addenbrookes.

I am not an expert but I am very objective.  I see things as they are, in front of my face.  My great concern is, what is going to be the end of all this, and what will be left, of what we like to call humanised society?

We can't just all scuttle off down our own little rabbit holes saying "stay at home and save lives".  There are too many other things about our lives, and our way of life, that we are destroying in the process.  If we are not very careful, we may never live our lives again, in the way that we used to.

Excellent post !

My mother in law suffers from glaucoma, a condition of increased pressure within the eyeball which can lead to blindness. She is regularly seen at her local hospital for the problem to be monitored, a visit which amongst other things involves measuring the pressure in her eyes.  . She has now been told that her next appointment will be " a telephone consultation". We await with interest to find out how the phone will be used to measure eye pressure.

[Paladin]

22 minutes ago, grendel said:

well all of the radio adverts I hear are saying you must stay at home, then list the few exceptions where you can go out, what i am hearing here is people listing the exact word of the law...

 

What is left for us if we don't abide by the law, which includes permissions as well as restrictions. If you haven't read beyond "No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living..." then I don't really know what to say.

[Poppy]

Those who claim that we should not visit our boats, even for winterising may care to reflect on the fact that this morning in Great Yarmouth  both Argos and Tapis Carpets and Flooring on the Pasteur Retail Park considered themselves to be 'essential' and were open and trading !

[ExSurveyor]

Carpet shops are not allowed to open, no doubt they will be closed tomorrow after a visit from the local council.

We had a barber in my area was adamant he would stay open, he lasted a day before he was closed by the lical authority and the landlord changed the locks.

[Cheesey69]

3 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said:

Carpet shops are not allowed to open, no doubt they will be closed tomorrow after a visit from the local council.

We had a barber in my area was adamant he would stay open, he lasted a day before he was closed by the lical authority and the landlord changed the locks.

Well not round here. Successfully claimed carpets can be considered DIY which is allowed. 

[MauriceMynah]

Recently I caught a cold. I thought it was probably a cold, but it was a persistent dry cough, and as is so often the way with colds, my sense of taste was also poor.

I thought it best to have a test, which was negative. I had indeed caught a cold.

This had me thinking, I have obeyed the current rules, I have concentrated on social distancing, yet still I caught a cold. Have I touched something that was infected by cold germs? Is the cold germ more resilient than the Covid virus?

A cold isn't something I'm frightened of. Covid is something I am.

So, what should I do? Abandon all precautions? I think not. In future I shall be wearing disposable gloves when shopping. The law doesn't demand this, nor even suggest it

18 minutes ago, Meantime said:

But it is your choice whether you penalise yourself further by restricting yourself over and above the requirements of the law,

Yep, That's the one. and the more people who do so, the better chance we ALL have for seeing next years season. 

 

[Poppy]

Meanwhile, the schools remain open.  My five year old grandson is again in isolation (second time this term, he only started in September) because another in his school 'bubble' has contracted the condition !

OK, kids seem not to suffer badly with covid if and when they get it, but they sure as hell can transmit it. Oh, and he, along with his class mates can't have a test.....

[grendel]

unfortunately the ruling by DEFRA specifically forbids maintenance and winterisation as essential reasons, furthermore it allows boating 'under the guidelines issued by the navigation authority responsible for the waters'.

and Paladin, I am reading past the point where it says stay at home, its just that i dont see the reasons so far presented as valid reasons to visit a boat or travel.

can i exercise by just walking out of my front door - yes, so why would i need to visit my boat unless it was within walking distance- i dont

would i drive anywhere if it was necessary - yes, if i needed to call in at the office i would have to do a 125 mile drive, something i used to do daily, but i do have a letter from my office that justifies that should i be stopped, can i work from home - yes for the most part, there are a few reasons i might have to visit the office occasionally.

if needed i will go to medical appointments, and to the chemists to pick up medicines.

Are there any other times it would be absolutely essential to go out - no, so i wont.

i wonder for how many people would going to their boat be the only possible form of exercise, very few i think.

[Hylander]

When I drove to the farm this morning for some fresh eggs fruit and veg I passed our little parade of shops and I was quite astonished to see every parking bay was full,  there must be at least 30 bays and loads of people about.   During the first lockdown you hardly saw a soul.  What is it about this lockdown that seems to have passed all these people by.

 

 

[Meantime]

3 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

22 minutes ago, Meantime said:

But it is your choice whether you penalise yourself further by restricting yourself over and above the requirements of the law,

Yep, That's the one. and the more people who do so, the better chance we ALL have for seeing next years season. 

And in principle I agree with that. I've already stated that I chose to do less than I could have done between the two lock down periods. What I don't agree with is people being misinformed, misled, or guilt tripped in to that behaviour. As long as they are not breaking the law, it is their choice and for them to make for their own decisions without peer pressure, or forum pressure.

I would also like to make the point that the Government guidance refers to New National Restrictions. It is the media and others who insist on calling it a second lock down.

[grendel]

8 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

So, what should I do? Abandon all precautions? I think not. In future I shall be wearing disposable gloves when shopping. The law doesn't demand this, nor even suggest it

if you do, remember not to reuse the gloves in multiple shops, as that can lead to transfer from the handles of one shopping trolley in one shop to the next shop. 

I use hand gel before i leave the car, and then again between shops, as i have a face covering i wont be touching my face while i am in the shop.

[Meantime]

14 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

So, what should I do? Abandon all precautions? I think not. In future I shall be wearing disposable gloves when shopping. The law doesn't demand this, nor even suggest it

That was the approach I took at the start of the first lockdown, but here's the thing. If your wearing gloves and get the virus on your glove and then touch something else you will still spread the virus. If you get the virus on your glove and then touch your face you might still end up catching the virus and getting ill. For some people they may wash their hands less because they have been taking "extra" precautions. Every time I went into my local Morrisons wearing gloves that I had just freshly put on as I left the car, I was still asked to use the sanitiser, and rightly so.

I personally now only use a glove when filling up my car and always carry a bottle of sanitiser and wipes around with me and use them frequently. Since pubs reopened you start to realise that even if you go to the toilet and wash your hands, there is always one door to touch on the way out after you have washed your hands. Everytime I sit down at a table in a pub I sanitise my hands. If I use a bus I push the bell and wait until the bus has stopped so I can stand without touching anything and then walk off the bus, then I sanitise. Whenever I have been shopping, before opening the car door I sanitise and then again after returning the trolley and before getting in the car. 

However I would never suggest that you don't wear gloves if that is what you feel you should, or want to be doing. Just remember it is still worth using sanitiser regularly even if wearing gloves.

[Chelsea14Ian]

Covad has and will continue  to affect our lives for many years to come.I'm really fed up with people  trying to bend the rules to suit  themselves. None of the restrictions placed are upon us are easy. I worry the affect Covad has had on the NHS. And if levels of infections continue  to increase ,it will reduce treatment  on other illnesses, such as Cancer,heart and many other serious  diseases. 

[ExSurveyor]

Some very good news on a vaccine at 1pm, fingers crossed it can be replicated in other trials.

90% effective according to testing.

That is promising. Someone has turned the light on at the end of the tunnel.

What will be be " discussing" next year, hopefully more mundane topics.

[MauriceMynah]

5 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said:

What will be be " discussing" next year, hopefully more mundane topics.

Let's start a list shall we.

The Broads as a National Park.

The governance of the BA

Will all electric boats be a reality.

Is MM likely to clean his new boat.

[floydraser]

I saw the news about the vaccine. I wonder how holiday bookings will now go for next year - home vs abroad?

[ExSurveyor]

Late next year might be realistic for going abroad, 50 million doses this year, 1.3 billion next year from this one but others are not far behind.

[Mouldy]

51 minutes ago, Cheesey69 said:

Well not round here. Successfully claimed carpets can be considered DIY which is allowed. 

Our local branch of Pets Corner is a concession within a branch of a certain garden centre chain (I won’t mention the name, but it is remarkably similar to a character in the Harry Potter books).  When I visited yesterday to get some dog food, I was  amazed to see that despite other concessions selling clothing being closed, clothes were openly on sale from the garden centre itself.  I am slightly confused.

[Chelsea14Ian]

13 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

Let's start a list shall we.

The Broads as a National Park.

The governance of the BA

Will all electric boats be a reality.

Is MM likely to clean his new boat.

Not sure about the last one

[ExSurveyor]

38 minutes ago, Mouldy said:

Our local branch of Pets Corner is a concession within a branch of a certain garden centre chain (I won’t mention the name, but it is remarkably similar to a character in the Harry Potter books).  When I visited yesterday to get some dog food, I was  amazed to see that despite other concessions selling clothing being closed, clothes were openly on sale from the garden centre itself.  I am slightly confused.

A shop within a store must be an essential business,

Garden centres are allowed to be open and if their clothing section is within the main body of the store they can continue to sell.

Where non essential departments are in a segregated area, different floor or building, they have to close the area off.

Probably a better solution than  Wales tried with clingfilm.

[CambridgeCabby]

52 minutes ago, Chelsea14Ian said:

Not sure about the last one

That’s the only one I do feel confident about 

[vanessan]

2 hours ago, Hylander said:

During the first lockdown you hardly saw a soul.  What is it about this lockdown that seems to have passed all these people by.

It’s because the rules for this lockdown are different in many ways to the previous lockdown rules. Many more businesses remain open this time. 

[Poppy]

19 minutes ago, vanessan said:

It’s because the rules for this lockdown are different in many ways to the previous lockdown rules. Many more businesses remain open this time. 

Somehow V, there are a number who can't seem to understand that.

[Meantime]

1 minute ago, Poppy said:

Somehow V, there are a number who can't seem to understand that.

Were you thinking of a certain navigation authority?