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[ExSurveyor]

22 minutes ago, EastCoastIPA said:

Robin, please ignore the static hiss in the background

More like a continual whine

[MrB]

This thread gets more comedic by the day. 

[High6]

FGS here we go again. A perfectly innocuous and informative chatty message from Robin in his inimitable friendly style gets picked on and torn apart by one or more particular individuals bringing this thread once again to a grinding halt.
On average this has happened every three days since I joined this forum.
These critical and accusatory comments are unnecessary and entirely uncalled for. Please, if you don't have something pleasant or constructive to contribute keep it to yourself. This must be one of the longest and most interesting threads on the forum with a huge following, but I suspect it may not continue too much longer if certain individuals insist on having the last word on every subject.
I totally support Robin's point that his blog is offered as a social commentary not to invite micro deconstruction.

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[BroadAmbition]

High6 - Like it, I have liked it and would like to like it some more too    

But I will be lazy and just state:-

'What High6 posted' in it's entirety word for word

Now where's that OFF button?

Griff

sent from my home based P/C tower thing using a keyboard and my finest sense of humour

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, High6 said:

FGS here we go again. A perfectly innocuous and informative chatty message from Robin in his inimitable friendly style gets picked on and torn apart by one or more particular individuals bringing this thread once again to a grinding halt.
On average this has happened every three days since I joined this forum.
These critical and accusatory comments are unnecessary and entirely uncalled for. Please, if you don't have something pleasant or constructive to contribute keep it to yourself. This must be one of the longest and most interesting threads on the forum with a huge following, but I suspect it may not continue too much longer if certain individuals insist on having the last word on every subject.
I totally support Robin's point that his blog is offered as a social commentary not to invite micro deconstruction.

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I take it from that outburst that in your view no one is entitled to a different opinion ?  The fact is some of us have been doing this boating thing longer than others and know a fair bit more including that of so classed as celebrity's who have apparently an off button , I don't believe in the right to intimidate others regarding free speech within TOS of cause nor should the moderators if they want a fair situation .

This is after all a public forum and anyone has the right to comment either agreeing with  the original post or otherwise , that said sadly I do feel this forum is going down the route of another well Known one where one group of individuals tend to control things and God help you if you disagree and that is to me not what this forum is about and should it become so then I firmly believe membership would decrease .

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you are picking on them , ganging up on someone does .

[Jamboboatman]

WOWWWWWW WHAT A GREAT FORUM as newbie  I love it.

As has been said many times already thank you Robin for the rollercoaster  journey and to Griff and the Indy TEAM you deserve all the plaudits your getting.  To all those friends of Robin and the members who rushed to his assistance well  done,  you are a true example of how clubs and societies should behave.  Yes there are the few that like to pontificate but hay ho we can't all be like Robin. It's  taken me a week to read through these 96 pages and catch up on this story. 
Please Robin carry on as you are, don't change live your dream, you have a lot of caring people around you.
I look forward to maybe meeting you in May and catching a glimpse of "Independence".
I'm  sure to "Serenade" you as we pass. 

Cheers

JAMBOBOATMAN

[FairTmiddlin]

Just goes to show the difference between Marine regs

And a BSS set of regs

[socrates]

Far too many "experts" and armchair admirals on this forum for my liking. Hence the reason why I have stopped posting about our restoration of BG, and will not be participating in the Forum after this post. Perhaps people are suffering from a degree of "cabin fever" because they can't get out on their boats at this time of year?

Every time some one posts something they are bombarded by a plethora of sometimes thinly veiled sarcasm and unnecessary criticism. Robin, like us, has embarked on a journey which is, perhaps, somewhat unconventional for some of the people on here. I would not have done many of the things he and his crew have done, and I am sure they would not have done what we have done with BG. Indeed, I would never consider putting a boat that size on the Broads, in the same way Robin would probably never consider purchasing a wreck of a vintage Broads boat from a Broads Arthur Daley (which is essentially what we did), let alone taking the said boat to the prestigious Wooden Boat Show for all the armchair experts to see. 

Boating is multi faceted, that is part of the pleasure, it comprises of cruising but also poking around in chandlery shops, browsing the internet and enjoying "boat porn" and chewing the fat with other people who have an interest in boats. But at the end of the day when the sun goes down and you have a glass in your hand, that boat is your boat and you have made your decisions. I don't think you can purchase that sort of pleasure.  People go on their own journey and if they choose to share that journey and their dreams with you, accept it as a privilege to be part of that journey, so tread carefully on their dreams. You may want to offer advice because you think you know best, but before you do remember you need to walk a mile in a person's shoes to really understand them. 

I was listening to a song the other day, and I suddenly realised that the lyrics are very applicable to anyone who is embarking on a boat project such as this, the song is Fearless by Pink Floyd:

You say the hill's too steep to climb
Chiding
You say you'd like to see me try
Climbing
You pick the place and I'll choose the time
And I'll climb
The hill in my own way
Just wait a while, for the right day
And as I rise above the treeline and the clouds
I look down hearing the sound of the things you said today

Fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd, smiling
Merciless, the magistrate turns 'round, frowning
And who's the fool who wears the crown
Go down in your own way
And everyday is the right day
And as you rise above the fear lines in his brown
You look down
Hear the sound of the faces in the crowd

Robin, I wish you well and if you see BG you might want to look down on us from your lofty perch and say "hello". I may think you are doing things the "wrong way", and your boat is far too big for the Broads, but like you, we are climbing the hill in our own way. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, FairTmiddlin said:

Just goes to show the difference between Marine regs

And a BSS set of regs

To be fair, unless I have read Robins posts wrong, the biggest job on the list (due to access and dismantling involved) will be to correct an omission at build rather than a difference in regs, so actually in this case a sea boat has complied quite well to the BSS.

[BroadAmbition]

Far too many "experts" and armchair admirals on this forum for my liking. Hence the reason why I have stopped posting about our restoration of BG, and will not be participating in the Forum after this post.

Brilliant Socrates, just great.     By not posting about your excellent BG restoration project means the background static, constant whine and armchair admirals of a tiny minority of members denies the rest of us to enjoy / admire your adventure.  Don't pay any heed to em and let the rest of us enjoy your ride too.  You have a lot of friends in here.

Griff

[BroadAmbition]

To be fair, unless I have read Robins posts wrong, the biggest job on the list (due to access and dismantling involved) will be to correct an omission at build rather than a difference in regs, so actually in this case a sea boat has complied quite well to the BSS.

Agreed.  and the biggest fuel leak was caused by incorrect installation too.  Indeed whilst out on the trip I noticed the warm air heating was not performing very well up fwd.  On investigation in the engine room I soon found the connectors were loose and some has just been push fitted together and would never have stayed in place for more than five minutes alongside let alone at sea.  It was an easy fix though

Griff

[Maxwellian]

8 hours ago, LondonRascal said:

A lot of the things I do and the manner in which I go about them may not be what the majority would do but that is why I am doing it the way I am. You won't see me doing things 'my way' and then telling others that is the best way, right way, preferred way etc - take the batteries - I am not going to say it is right for others, and I am not going to be there fitting them myself and filming things while someone comments at the risks I took, or shoddy job I made and then have me defend it. What you will see me do is sharing why I want something, getting it done by someone else and then sharing the results.

I have enjoyed you sharing the journey Robin and a big thank you for doing this.

Important to me was the recognition that your way is not always the best way, it is just your way. Respect for that. I am more cautious and do not always have the time so would have got a survey first.... then again I did fit a new transome to my little boat year before last. I say little as your rib is probably bigger.

:) 

[Guest]

Maybe the boat should have been named "My Way"

[Lulu]

I love the 'journey' threads and in particular the ones like Broadland Grebe.  To see someone bring a boat back to life that would otherwise rot away forever is particularly special. In fact Socrates and the Broad Ambition owners should also have a platter for grit and dedication! (Hang on, then Robin would have two ;)

Please, please everyone , dont be put off by armchairs.  This is a great place and the pub is pretty good too! 

For the record NYA were fantastic when we got our boat and the after sales has been great too. 

[vanessan]

9 hours ago, psychicsurveyor said:

When I have a Boat safety due,  and with 3 needing them all in different years. I ask the boatyards to check the boat over,  fix anything that needs doing and get them through.

I would rather spend money than my time,  that way when I am onboard I use the boat rather than having to do things I don't understand or even want to understand.

Thats my way and it is different from other ways.

When I retire I may get more involved,  or not.

Well we are retired but we very much do it your way. That gives us time to do what we enjoy doing rather than worrying about whether or not we are doing things right. It really is ‘horses for courses’, I know a lot of boaters (like Robin) enjoy rolling up their shirtsleeves and getting stuck in, I’m sure there is a lot of fulfilment for many. It’s whatever floats your boat, quite literally. 

[Vaughan]

I have hardly posted at all on this thread as I didn't think I had anything extra to offer, but I have read all of it with interest and indeed, fascination. That long weekend, spent with Marinetraffic in one window on the screen and the forum in the other, was memorable! Please keep giving us updates on how the rest of the work progresses!

I just wanted to say that I thought that BSS report was most creditable. It was effectively a pass first time, with only one or two small jobs to fix. She could have failed on an awful lot more than that! Seems that "Made in Taiwan" is a better label than we think!

I remember you saying somewhere that she was built to ERCD cat "A" and so it is very good to see that she also passes the BSS as that is how it should be. We are actually the only country in Europe to have its own specific inland waterways regs. All others have ERCD cat D as a minimum.

I didn't think they were going to like those fuel sight glasses though!     

 

[vanessan]

On 21/02/2018 at 17:56, YnysMon said:

Ignore this bit - I can’t get rid of it!! Sorry YM.

Don’t most forums have their fair share of armchair admirals and folk blowing their own trumpets? As for this forum becoming the same as another one, I don’t believe that is at all possible. The three main forums are all very different, two seem to have the same few posters holding them together albeit the topics on all three can be very closely related. I tend to look at all Broads related online stuff to try and keep up to date, as well as getting a winter fix, and there is definitely (or should I say defiantly?) no better place than here for sharing things and getting information. Long may it continue and I truly hope Robin doesn’t vary his way of doing and sharing things and I also hope socrates will reconsider and not deny us the updates regarding BG. 

 

[LondonRascal]

I think there is masses of space for differing opinions, and I welcome them - what I am not so keen on is when I say I am going to do something and (perhaps I am reading into things too much here) instead of being given an alternative way to consider and think about,  the original idea is too often 'taken apart' to inspect and once inspection has taken place criticised.

If I said I was going to have a whole new suite of electronic navigation aids put in and I listed what they may be and the brand I had chosen, it would be fair to hear people say that may use another brand, some might have first hand experience of things as well and pass on those experiences and a discussion could take place based on the merits of particular items or indeed and known issues about them. Now this sort of thing goes on all the time, the key I guess is how the poster may begin this.

I might say  something like:

"As part of my next project onboard I am going to be getting a new Simrad Plotter"

But others may say something like:

"I am looking at getting a new Plotter as part of my upgrades to the boat. Does anyone have any recommendations on what brand I should be looking into?"

Now the reason I might arrive with a statement rather than a question is not because I am trying to be impolite, but I am using this thread as a diary, a written updating story about what I am doing - or not. You come and read and take away what you wish, you add your feelings, support, or ideas to the mix and I like that or you may not find it at all appealing and over a time no longer want to read the latest updates and that is fine as well.

But when it comes to what I am doing and the direction I am taking, sure it might be incorrect. It could be costly, it might make little sense, but at the end of the day it is my choice to take that direction and then I write about it here to share - and those of you who seem to enjoy this, don't worry I am not giving up the sharing. 

Let me take the example of buying a new Plotter. What would no doubt happen if I posted that I was in the above way  is not so much that people would be talking about marine electronics in general, or talk about what type of brand may be better (or they have had experience with) with but a minority thinking it barmy I was even considering such and regardless of who made the equipment it would not get used. Someone else might then begin making little 'swipes' at me for wanting to do something so completely pointless and over something I had no knowledge of whatsoever.

So from my point of view, while I might come to the discussion making a sweeping statement of doing something - and that is the way in which I might write, and while I think it is right and fair people have their right of reply and share their views I think it is not fair when such are just derogatory. An example would be "Whats the point of getting any of that". You see, that is the type of commentary  I find hard to understand. I know I am taking that as an example which has not actually been said, but it reflects the tone of some comments that have been said previously. It is not as if I do something, get in a right pickle and mess come back here and share what has happened only to be told 'well if you took our advice...' because It really does not bother me if I did something and it was later found not to be the best option - I gave it a go, it failed lets go back and try that one again.

If I did not take that approach, I would just find things getting overwhelming, stressing me out and generally getting me down. I might seem like I am not giving to damns about things, when you have paid close on £5,000 for a new heater to be bought and installed and it is leaking fuel you can reach a moment of 'what the hell am I doing' but once you find out the cause of the problem, talk to someone who can fix it and know you won't have to pay anything to have it sorted out things tend to look up a lot.

 

 

 

 

[vanessan]

Robin - I think if you said you were going to have a ham sandwich someone would ask why you weren’t having a cheese one!

[Meantime]

2 minutes ago, vanessan said:

Robin - I think if you said you were going to have a ham sandwich someone would ask why you weren’t having a cheese one!

Why would you have a sandwich and not a roast dinner?

[Hockham Admiral]

Hear! Hear! Robin.

Absolutely spot on; it's your money and your choice.          

[LondonRascal]

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Robin - I think if you said you were going to have a ham sandwich someone would ask why you weren’t having a cheese one!

You could be right, but you know it is not just about having a cheese sandwich at the ready - there would be many choices to be made over what type of cheese I may go for. Perhaps I therefore  should ask about what cheese would be best suited? Once that was sorted, matters could move on to the bread choice...

[ExSurveyor]

1 minute ago, vanessan said:

Robin - I think if you said you were going to have a ham sandwich someone would ask why you weren’t having a cheese one!

Or say,  I have had 9 cheese sandwiches and enjoyed every one,  you shouldn't have ham,  you must have cheese

[coolcat]

4 minutes ago, vanessan said:

Robin - I think if you said you were going to have a ham sandwich someone would ask why you weren’t having a cheese one!

Why compromise........have both 

[coolcat]

1 minute ago, LondonRascal said:

You could be right, but you know it is not just about having a cheese sandwich at the ready - there would be many choices to be made over what type of cheese I may go for. Perhaps I theefore  ask about what cheese would be best suited? Once that was sorted, matters could move on to the bread choice...

Mayo, Pickle or Coleslaw with it ?