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Do private marinas have to have a visitor mooring.? Do hire companies have to have a visitor mooring?

 

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The simple answer is no.Some private moorings do have some visitor moorings ie Brooms.Hire companies allow other hire companies to allow there boats on certain days,and some will allow private boats to moor at times.A phone call will give a answer.

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Yes and no.

For example Swancraft is now a private marina but they have a couple of visitor moorings. I understand that this was a condition of the planning permission by the BA. I think other private marinas may offer similar but of course are not under any obligation to guarantee moorings particularly for hire boats and will usually charge.

Hire yards are slightly different. If they are members of the Hire Boat Federation (which most are) they will offer free moorings for other operators boats but may charge a fee or even refuse moorings for private boats. Some ask boats not to moor on busy turnaround days but the bigger yards may be OK, depending on how many boats they have out.

This is the general set up but as Ian says a phone call will usually give the answer. However I always use the personal approach where possible. The yard staff are usually very accommodating and if you ask nicely they will usually try to help. A phone call may get through to someone in the office who might not know the exact situation in the yard and may give a stock answer. Faircraft Loynes is a good example, I always speak to the staff on the yard and have not been turned away yet!!!

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I've been turned down at Faircraft Loynes unfortunately, more than once. You give good advice Howard, with Wroxham being a bit rubbish nowadays for hire base moorings, worse since Royalls finished. I discovered this to my cost last May, when, unable to pass through the bridge, on a Friday lunch time I was unable to moor in Wroxham anywhere and I only wanted a water stop. 

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Private boats are at a distinct disadvantage in Wroxham. I understood Barnes were supposed to have provided visitor mooring/s ages ago following a planning application but I’m not sure where they are if they did. 

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I am sure at one time there were visitor mooring and a water hose point on the opposite side from Barnes Brinkcraft, sadly not available for a good few years.

The lack of moorings for  Private boats before the bridge is a problem and it is also an issue, not having good waiting moorings for the Bridge Pilot, the space just in front of the bridge is hardly ideal.

Regards

Alan

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5 hours ago, ranworthbreeze said:

I am sure at one time there were visitor mooring and a water hose point on the opposite side from Barnes Brinkcraft, sadly not available for a good few years.

The lack of moorings for  Private boats before the bridge is a problem and it is also an issue, not having good waiting moorings for the Bridge Pilot, the space just in front of the bridge is hardly ideal.

Regards

Alan

Indeed Alan and as I found it's very much an issue for hirers as well. The boatyards have four or five turnaround days per week. 

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I enquired at Barnes Brinkcraft and I was told mooring a private craft at their yard, was only possible on Wednesday night to Thursday morning.

We only moor at Wroxham on a Friday night and then we moor at the cafe mooring, ok it cost us £20 (£10 day time and then £20 over night).

Regards

Marina :default_stinky:

 

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A couple of years back we moored Lightning in Summercrafts yard, for which they charged us £10 for the night, which included water and 240v hook up. Last year, we moored in Herbert Woods for water and pumpout, and they told us we could moor over night plus hook up for £10. Richardsons just told us help yourself, with no charge, and that included hook up.  Other people however did report Herbert Woods had subsequently refused private craft overnight mooring full stop. 

Maybe the forum members could enquire to ALL yards, hire and private, as to whether they allow overnight moorings with what facilities, so we could compile a complete list?.

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15 hours ago, vanessan said:

Private boats are at a distinct disadvantage in Wroxham. I understood Barnes were supposed to have provided visitor mooring/s ages ago following a planning application but I’m not sure where they are if they did. 

The quick answer to that is yes they were supposed to n no they didn't and BA decided in their wisdom not to pursue it + those that moor in the marina that the visitors moorings were supposed to be a condition of planning didn't want folk mooring there anyway .

Barns did say they would provide moorings in an alternative location if I remember correctly and I believe there's were on the opposite side if the river though its debatable as to whether that happened either , so far as I know its impossible to tell the bridge clearance at the last available mooring is wroxham broad which gives to me a dam good argument for proper Mooring's for the purpose of canopy lowering and de masting .This whole thing cropped up elsewhere some time ago with myself and at least one other member being PMed to leave the subject alone by a senior member who moored in the marina , so so much for all boaters together n all that :39_angry:

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1 hour ago, Ricardo said:

This whole thing cropped up elsewhere some time ago with myself and at least one other member being PMed to leave the subject alone by a senior member who moored in the marina , so so much for all boaters together n all that

Stinks a bit of I'm alright Jack..........and not in my back yard...... then the same people moan of not being able to  moor where they want to when they want to........ they are all kiber flippers 

If I had received a PM of that nature , I would have relayed it everywhere or named and in this case Damn shamed  ......

(I respect your personal stance and action)

 

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As someone has said, just go into the yard and ask nicely!! That applies anywhere.

In most cases I suspect they will give you permission.

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5 hours ago, imtamping2 said:

Stinks a bit of I'm alright Jack..........and not in my back yard...... then the same people moan of not being able to  moor where they want to when they want to........ they are all kiber flippers 

If I had received a PM of that nature , I would have relayed it everywhere or named and in this case Damn shamed  ......

(I respect your personal stance and action)

 

To be honest that's exactly what it was and yes they did moan about moorings usually blaming one sector of broads boats for that , that's probably why they didn't like le me as I stood up for myself , the problem with naming and shaming is in most places its against TOS so I couldn't do it .

I think the problem in wroxham broad is that land I'd so difficult to get to generate a mooring of this nature as everyone wants to keep it for rental perposes , that said BA could have done a better job of making sure the agreement couldn't be wriggled out of .

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55 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

I think the problem in wroxham broad is that land I'd so difficult to get to generate a mooring of this nature as everyone wants to keep it for rental perposes , that said BA could have done a better job of making sure the agreement couldn't be wriggled out of .

By Wroxham Broad I assume you mean Daisy Broad, or Bridge Broad?

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If you ask at Barnes in the proper manner, you will usually get an

overnight mooring, Private or Hire. I have not heard Matthew

turn anyone down yet. On turn-around days they do like you to

leave around 08.00 to allow their hire fleet to come in.

As for those visitor moorings, All boatyards are trying to run a

business and are not there to provide moorings that the BA should

be providing. If you wanted to open up your front garden to allow extra

parking for your families cars so as to keep the roadway clear and your

cars safer, how would you feel if the planners told you that you would

have to allow 'visitor parking' on your land?

It's no different. It's private property.

The BA have been closing/giving up leases on several moorings and

expecting/forcing others to fill the shortfall. Barnes were right to fight

it, and win, as others have since done. Regardless of what the planners

may decide whilst sat around a table, it's private property!

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15 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

If you ask at Barnes in the proper manner, you will usually get an

overnight mooring, Private or Hire. I have not heard Matthew

turn anyone down yet. On turn-around days they do like you to

leave around 08.00 to allow their hire fleet to come in.

As for those visitor moorings, All boatyards are trying to run a

business and are not there to provide moorings that the BA should

be providing. If you wanted to open up your front garden to allow extra

parking for your families cars so as to keep the roadway clear and your

cars safer, how would you feel if the planners told you that you would

have to allow 'visitor parking' on your land?

It's no different. It's private property.

The BA have been closing/giving up leases on several moorings and

expecting/forcing others to fill the shortfall. Barnes were right to fight

it, and win, as others have since done. Regardless of what the planners

may decide whilst sat around a table, it's private property!

Is that "free" visitor mooring, or "chargeable" visitor mooring.

If at the time a planning application is approved if the applicant does not agree with all the conditions, then they should apply for an amendment to the conditions.  

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12 minutes ago, Philosophical said:

Is that "free" visitor mooring, or "chargeable" visitor mooring.

If at the time a planning application is approved if the applicant does not agree with all the conditions, then they should apply for an amendment to the conditions.  

I would imagine that the BA stipulate that visitor/s moorings are to be provided but whether or not they are chargeable is down to the boatyard. If, in the past, these stipulations have been made then the moorings should be made available. As to parking on driveways as Buffalo Bill has mentioned, IMO that’s a totally different kettle of fish and bears no resemblance to a business asking for planning approval - private land or not. 

I think a polite request to moor is seldom declined, it’s often the bolshy self-righteous attitude that offends. Be prepared to pay though if a private boat. 

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I am no fan of Barnes but in all fairness a couple of points should be made clear, first they have always allowed overnight mooring subject to space, free to federation boats but chargeable I think £10 to others, as for the PP if memory serves  me right they had the condition removed as the BA planning department messed up when applying the condition in return Barnes provided I think up to 6 moorings in the working yard when they are free of their own boats.

Fred

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21 minutes ago, rightsaidfred said:

I am no fan of Barnes but in all fairness a couple of points should be made clear, first they have always allowed overnight mooring subject to space, free to federation boats but chargeable I think £10 to others, as for the PP if memory serves  me right they had the condition removed as the BA planning department messed up when applying the condition in return Barnes provided I think up to 6 moorings in the working yard when they are free of their own boats.

Fred

I doubt if Barnes ever have free spaces for long, they have so many boats now they will soon be lifting one on top of another! 

Interesting what Ricardo said earlier about his pm, that’s something that should have been followed up in some way, imo anyway. 

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56 minutes ago, vanessan said:

Interesting what Ricardo said earlier about his pm, that’s something that should have been followed up in some way, imo anyway. 

I thought PMs were supposed to be just that personal or private messages, if people are liable to publish them it defeats the purpose.

Fred

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I think if someone sent me an offensive PM, I'd paste it in open forum, Just because they think it's private, doesn't mean I have to,

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pm's can be reported to the moderators, generally even the admins dont have access to them, but if they are reported they then become visible to the admin team here. if anyone ever gets a threatening or bullying pm we do urge them to report it using the report button.

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15 hours ago, SPEEDTRIPLE said:

Last year, we moored in Herbert Woods for water and pumpout, and they told us we could moor over night plus hook up for £10. Other people however did report Herbert Woods had subsequently refused private craft overnight mooring full stop. 

We moored overnight in Herbert Woods last week on Moonlight Shadow, we always ask if we are ok and they just said it was fine, no problems at all no charge. Water is £1 I think which is all we payed for.

We left early the following morning as a courtesy as they had boats coming in.

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The last time we were on the Northern rivers, October 2015 we tried twice during the week to visit Wroxham just to visit the town and do some shopping without success, on Tuesday and Thursday. It being October Barnes yard was full with their own hire fleet, in places on the river front moored two or even three abreast. We asked at Faircraft who had a whole quay empty but were told it was needed for their day boat fleet and that they too, had no space. On the Thursday the same was the case at Barnes, though the "day boat" quay at Faircraft had several visiting hire boats moored we were told they were full. 

I got the distinct impression at Faircraft that they felt Contessa was not posh enough for their yard.

We decided that would be our last holiday on the Northern Rivers, the mooring situation is becoming a farce. We returned to the South in 2016 and stayed there, in future we will do the same.

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