Busy Times , Full Bins

[CambridgeCabby]

The BA has reported that currently there is a very high quantity of rubbish being left at the rubbish disposal points , and whilst they appreciate it is being left there and not littering the area it would be helpful if visitors and boaters could take it home to dispose of .

Full story on BA Facebook page 

Ranworth photo from BA Facebook page courtesy of C.Dicker 

[stumpy]

Did there not use to be a waste compactor set up there? Probably would have taken all that easily.

[CambridgeCabby]

42 minutes ago, stumpy said:

Did there not use to be a waste compactor set up there? Probably would have taken all that easily.

There was a compactor there for a couple of years , trouble was people were nervous of putting waste in there and used to lay it on the ground beside it , plus it needed a specialised lorry to empty it 

[rightsaidfred]

There was a compactor there for many years and it did get used and the Rangers operated it daily with no problems, it got removed and replaced with bins when all the other waste facilities were removed, to ask people to retain and take home waste is ridiculous in this weather its mind boggling.

Fred

[dnks34]

How many other holiday destinations are there that expect you to take rubbish home with you? 
 

its absolutely ridiculous
 

 

[750XL]

Storing two weeks worth of smelly rubbish on your boat then taking it home with you?

No thanks! 

[CambridgeCabby]

14 minutes ago, dnks34 said:

How many other holiday destinations are there that expect you to take rubbish home with you? 
 

its absolutely ridiculous
 

 

All beaches request you take your rubbish with you , as does most National Parks.

The main trouble with bins on the Broads is that rubbish from hire boats is commercial waste as opposed to the detritus from picnics and day trippers so we get constant arguments as to whom is responsible for its removal . 

[Wussername]

Then you must pay for it's removal. Be it private or hire.

I pay my Broadland rates for a whole raft of issues and obligations. Including waste.

I do not feel obliged to pay for your waste. Do you ever, personally, pay for mine wherever I travel or stay in the UK.

Andrew

 

[CambridgeCabby]

Sadly due to people behaviour nowadays (some not all) , if a charge were levied at point of disposal then fly tipping would become more commonplace , AFAIK a proportion of tolls collected goes to boat waste disposal .

At Beccles the boat waste bins are in a compound and there is a sign stating “these bins are for boat waste only , and are covered by cctv incorrect use is liable to a fine “ I cannot remember how much the fine is .

i should add that the Broadland rates do not pay for the collection of boat waste from these bins , that is paid for from the BA budget .

yes some people put boat waste in a normal bin which they could be fined for , but people forget that empty Costa coffee cups , and takeaway cartons strictly speaking are also commercial waste and should also be taken home to be disposed of .

i too live in an area of massive tourism and day trippers , even more so than Norfolk and I would rather contribute towards the cost than see the littering that would be the result of not doing so. 

 

[Wussername]

It is my age I'm afraid. Please bare with me. Acronyms, AFAIK. What is that?

Once you tell me I shall be embarrassed.

I did not know that the BA paid for waste collection. Everywhere or just Beccles?

Andrew

[750XL]

3 minutes ago, Wussername said:

It is my age I'm afraid. Please bare with me. Acronyms, AFAIK. What is that?

Once you tell me I shall be embarrassed.

I did not know that the BA paid for waste collection. Everywhere or just Beccles?

Andrew

As far as I know :) 

[CambridgeCabby]

Boat refuse is collected by private contractors and is not paid for by local councils as it is treated as commercial refuse , checking back through threads from when many boat  refuse points were removed this was confirmed to me .

The responsibility for boat waste removal at BA moorings falls to the BA 

 

[Wussername]

CC. Who pays for the private contractors?

CC. BA responsible for waste collection on BA moorings. Are you now accusing the BA of dereliction of duty.

CC. Oh! And by the way, I am genuinely interested and will respect your reply. This is not about you and me. It is a matter which I believe we have both have an interest to our mutual concern. I look forward to your reply. I will reply with great passion if I am able.

Andrew

[Heron]

I may be wrong, no doubt someone will make it clear, but on your first two points, yes and yes

It is the reason there are no bins at How Hill

[CambridgeCabby]

To the best of my ,limited, knowledge the cost of waste collection from boat refuse bins from BA moorings is made by the BA from their budget , up till a few years ago this waste collection from many of the moorings was made by the local councils , at that time a discussion as to whether the boat waste from hire craft was commercial waste or otherwise was rife . It was no coincidence that this occurred at a time of local councils funding being cut and cost savings having to be made .

The decision was that hire boat refuse was indeed commercial waste and ergo the council were not responsible for its removal , at that time many of the waste disposal points were removed.

As far as dereliction of duty is concerned , there lies the problem , all hire boats are able to dispose of their waste at their hire yard base (not sure if is reciprocal between operators) , private craft even though the rubbish is not classed as commercial with these ,are able to use public waste points (unless indicated otherwise) or take it home , Kate and I normally take our weekends rubbish and dispose of in our home bins , when we were afloat for a week last month we used Oulton YS and Richardson’s (our home mooring) , so dereliction ? Perhaps not no more so for the BA than for the local councils whose businesses benefit greatly from the tourist trade .

On the rivers around Cambs their are very few dedicated boat refuse bins , but there are far fewer hire craft too.

The problems only arise when there are no bins and individuals cannot be bothered to take their rubbish with them , then sadly the clean up cost is often greater than the cost of providing bins in the first place .

and yes I agree Andrew , it is not a you and me situation , we both have an interest in the beautiful Broads and their preservation .

[ChrisB]

But the rats are going to be really happy! They got a bit thin during lockdown.

I remember the rubbish bins in Horning car park two or three years ago like the picture shown. There was total infestation, literally a hundred or more.

[Ray]

Personally I would accept an increase in tolls specifically for (and ringfenced) boat waste disposal points and collection, out sourced if necessary.

The advantages of having bins at all moorings is obvious. Also as a responsible dog owner I find that more than a few hours on a hot day turns our boat into a bio hazard.

As fans of wild moorings we usually have a haul of other people's rubbish on board too. We live on the coast and the residents do a beach clean once a month. 

I have a feeling that my idea won't be popular though

[Mouldy]

18 hours ago, dnks34 said:

How many other holiday destinations are there that expect you to take rubbish home with you? 
 

its absolutely ridiculous

Agreed

18 hours ago, 750XL said:

Storing two weeks worth of smelly rubbish on your boat then taking it home with you?

No thanks! 

Exactly

18 hours ago, Wussername said:

Then you must pay for it's removal. Be it private or hire.

I pay my Broadland rates for a whole raft of issues and obligations. Including waste.

I do not feel obliged to pay for your waste. Do you ever, personally, pay for mine wherever I travel or stay in the UK.

Andrew

 

So the various authorities pay for waste facilities in Norfolk, like Yarmouth for example, so that tourists have somewhere in which to deposit their rubbish.  Why then, for an area dependent on tourism, is the waste generated by visitors to the Broads, not catered for?   
Surely, the cost of providing facilities for the tourists would be less than clearing up the detritus left as the result of the lack of bins.

Furthermore, the absence of facilities for recycling in these times should also be in question.

[SteveO]

Due to Cov-19, we have been bringing all our food and drink with us on Broads visits, most of the food in reusable containers. It is surprising how little waste you generate this way. Not what local businesses want to hear, I am sure, but I will carry on doing this beyond any Covid restrictions for as long as the various Norfolk councils continue to make waste disposal for boaters an issue. If more people did the same, the message might get through eventually, although I suspect that with some of the councils involved, this could take quite a long time. 

We have been spending quite a lot of our time on the beaches of SE Kent over the last couple of weeks of hot weather and I have been very impressed with the way in which our local council sends collection teams out on a daily basis to ensure that waste bins do not get overfilled. As a council tax payer, I am footing the bill for this service. Do I begrudge  this?  No, because the visitors who come here return time and again, pay for car parking, spend their money in local shops and pubs and generally contribute to the economy of the area. Compare and contrast....

[marshman]

Of course it is completely stupid in a tourist area but the councils spotted an opportunity to pass on the cost to boat owners just as they have to cottage owners - if they know its let!!!!

The real issue remains that these facilities are used by many of the locals to get rid of their rubbish - there have been numerous complaints that locals, and I guess others, drive up, deposit their rubbish such as garden waste and then its the tollpayers who will pick up the tab!!!

The "encouraging tourists" argument doesn't wash with them either - somehow though they usually manage to squeeze through an uptick in expenses when that comes up!!! When it does apply to all moorings as most of you wish, I think it will be a higher cost than you imagine on the tollpayers - and P..S. if it is ringfenced as suggested, can I get a refund as I always bring mine home!!!!!

[Ray]

1 hour ago, marshman said:

, I think it will be a higher cost than you imagine on the tollpayers - and P..S. if it is ringfenced as suggested, can I get a refund as I always bring mine home!!!!!

I agree, it will be very expensive and no one will be happy to pay it... except me maybe lol

You can have refund on production of receipts and video of all consumables aboard and again when returned to your own bin... in triplicate! ☺️

You make a good point in that it wouldn't be workable and it would be very unpopular... apart from those small details, it's a good idea though 😁

[JennyMorgan]

Locals are no less desperate to visit their local recycling centres than are tourists who wish to be able to dump their holiday rubbish. My local recycling centre has appalling traffic management and people skills and its a nightmare to visit at the best of times. With the pandemic life has become even harder because we now have to book in order to dump our excess rubbish, a system that doesn't work. If locals wish to use riverside facilities then, quite frankly, I don't blame them. As for the BA, surely it was obvious that with everything that floats being out on hire that there would be pressure on rubbish disposal. A few extra skips would be good! Time to up the tolls multiplier for boatyards in order to pay for hireboat rubbish.

[Cockatoo]

As I said on the facebook thread,

 

 

[RumPunch]

2 hours ago, marshman said:

The real issue remains that these facilities are used by many of the locals to get rid of their rubbish - there have been numerous complaints that locals, and I guess others, drive up, deposit their rubbish such as garden waste and then its the tollpayers who will pick up the tab!!!

 

I have experienced entirely the opposite with boat users depositing bags of rubbish in MY wheelie bins.

[rightsaidfred]

This is and has been an ongoing problem not just related to the Broads, sadly with no joined up thinking to many authorities miss the point, reducion of disposal facilities equates to an increase in fly tipping but if we can transfer one cost to a different budget and  then claim exasperation at Joe Bloggs anti social behaviour we have hopefuly gained a political point with those that elect us.

Fred