BroadAmbition Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Hmmm, Normally it is all over once the fat Lady has finished singing. She has sung but might yet have another verse in her now! You couldn’t make it up Griff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 42 minutes ago, ExSurveyor said: That would be the worst possible outcome. Imperfect decisions are made all the time, in all sports. Sure but dont change the rule book to create a better spectacle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSurveyor Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 How many teams bring a barrister with them, apart from Mercedes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said: Sure but dont change the rule book to create a better spectacle. Qualify that by adding ‘with one lap to go to the end of the race, guaranteed to favour one driver.’ Sadly, this has made F1 and the governing body look utterly stupid in front of a watching world. Would the FA change the rules of a football match with three minutes of the game to go? I can’t imagine they’d get away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, ExSurveyor said: How many teams bring a barrister with them, apart from Mercedes. Does seem a bit extreme but wouldnt be suprised if others did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSurveyor Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said: Does seem a bit extreme but wouldnt be suprised if others did. Ferrari used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrumpyCheddar Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Let’s face it Mercedes goofed up Hamilton’s win .. They had plenty of time to bring him in for tyres.. Lewis did ask a couple of times about coming in but told him to stay out.. So bad management at the end of the day. He gave it his best shot in the end, but Max pipped him to the post and what a lap that was.. Fantastic.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 Mercedes goofed up nothing. Max wasnt closing in on Lewis until the rule book was torn up! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lulu Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I used to be a massive F1 fan but my interest had definitely waned in recent years with the team orders stuff a while back. I decided to watch today’s race to give it another chance but no more after the changing the rules as they went along. Glad we cancelled our Sky Sports subscription as F1 was the only reason we had it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrumpyCheddar Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said: Mercedes goofed up nothing. Max wasnt closing in on Lewis until the rule book was torn up! Yes they did goofed up .. they left him out there on 40 lap plus tyres he was loosing heat and traction.. The rule book was ripped up on the first lap by not letting max take lead position... You can’t have your cake and eat it can you .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I found it far more entertaining sitting in the pub doing quality control checks on the beer (repeatedly) in a mindset of not giving a [insert word here] than actually bothering to watch it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeePee1952 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Well, that’s Mercedes protests rejected! I don’t think it will end there though? FIA (and Masi) have made F1 a complete farce! Who are the losers in all this? I suspect everyone from sponsors through to fans of the sport. Time for a reset methinks and use the winter period to sort out the mess and debacle that F1 has now become. Chris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, ScrumpyCheddar said: Yes they did goofed up .. they left him out there on 40 lap plus tyres he was loosing heat and traction.. The rule book was ripped up on the first lap by not letting max take lead position... You can’t have your cake and eat it can you .. Two very different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, ScrumpyCheddar said: Let’s face it Mercedes goofed up Hamilton’s win .. They had plenty of time to bring him in for tyres.. Lewis did ask a couple of times about coming in but told him to stay out.. So bad management at the end of the day. He gave it his best shot in the end, but Max pipped him to the post and what a lap that was.. Fantastic.. All that is completely immaterial. The FIA changed 2 rules which suited Red Bull. Utter nonsense - you cannot change rules in the middle of a race. The sport has totally lost all credibility, along with Masi and his team. Shameful. Disgraceful. Farcical. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrumpyCheddar Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said: Two very different things. How can it be... There both in the rule book.. Both decisions ruled out by Masi at the end of the day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimbiIV Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Max did not win, Mercedes lost it despite the better driver, not pitting earlier on in the first safety car, lost the race as it has done for them many times this year! paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimbiIV Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Ps it was nice to watch a race without paying an extortionare fee! F1 beware a lot of people do not have Sky!!!!!!!! paul 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 F1 should also be aware that the race organisers have done no end of damage to the sport this year. They need to sort themselves out. Farcical Griff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 I can see current and past drivers of whom there are many living in Monaco discussing this race at parties and informal meet ups over the break more than the average race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadAmbition Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrumpyCheddar Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Moving on ... Good luck to Kimi on his retirement.. Will be missed especially his one word replies 🤣... And the 13” tyre had it last race ... 2022 brings in the 18” low profile tyre so the poor old Pirelli tyre fitting boys will have there work cut out fitting them. Also Next year is going to be Ross Brawn and Pat symonds last year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBerkshireBoy Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScrumpyCheddar said: Moving on ... Good luck to Kimi on his retirement.. Will be missed especially his one word replies 🤣... Nice touch of humour the team put on the side of Kimi`s car. "Now We Will Leave You Alone" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrumpyCheddar Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said: Nice touch of humour the team put on the side of Kimi`s car. "Now We Will Leave You Alone" Was a nice touch ... Such a shame he didn’t cross the finish line 😢 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 to clarify a number of issues some more casual observers might be a little confused about. The incident on lap one did not require Hamilton to surrender the lead to Verstappen as he did not gain an advantage during the manoeuvre, he led the race prior to it, and he did not leave the track intentionally, he was forced to do so to avoid a collision with a car moving across on him, the sporting regulations are quite clear that in this case the driver does not need to concede a place. Once the virtual and subsequent full safety cars were employed Mercedes were in a no win position, they could not stop to change tyres, as the leading team if they had stopped then Verstappen would not have stopped and gained track position. The decision not to stop under the earlier virtual safety car was proving to be quite correct, Verstappen was not catching Hamilton anything like quickly enough to win the race until the crash which deployed the full safety car five laps from the end. Again Mercedes could not risk stopping Hamilton and allowing Verstappen to pass him at a time when it was by no means certain there would be another racing lap. Red Bull by comparison had nothing to lose and understandably rolled the dice. Mercedes would have done the same if the situations were reversed. Sorry scrumpy but your assessment of the pit strategy is totally wrong. The issue which may well haunt the FIA and see this rumble on in the courts for months to come is the manner in which the race was restarted. The rules say that lapped cars CAN be allowed to overtake, effectively unlap themselves but it does not say they must. Race control decided they would not clear the lapped cars meaning there were a number of lapped cars between Hamilton, leading the race and Verstappen who was second. Red Bull contested that decision and suddenly it was changed and ONLY the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen were instructed to pass, clearing the way for Verstappen to pass Hamilton and win the title. There was no way given the difference in tyre compound and wear that Hamilton could defend the lead. The issue is that the regulations, and I have read them again before posting make no provision for SOME lapped cars to be cleared and not others. If all lapped cars had been told to clear the leader this would have needed another lap of safety car to achieve and the race would have ended behind it. This will be Mercedes argument in court, that the race control acted outside the regulations. Had the race restarted with the lapped cars still in place Verstappen might still have won the race, but also we will never know. Whatever the outcome in the courts the massive damage is to formula 1 itself. A huge wedge of distrust has been driven between the FIA and it's major team, between the FIA and it's (non Dutch) fans. I wonder if Liberty Media realise what harm has been done. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewcook Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Not a Fair Race need to be a re Run. Oldberkshire Boy I meant to say Starting Grid on Watching the grand Prix on TV not in Arabia sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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