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Paul
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I didn't see the start of the race yesterday, being on holiday the family were not going to let me stay in and watch the TV, fair enough. I saw the restart while we were stopped at Fritton and the las

Mouldy
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You can say what you like and defend Verstappen’s win as much as you like, but changing the rules when they did, clearly favoured Verstappen.  Masi and his gangs  interference in so many races this se

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I used to enjoy listening to Christian Horner but his comments on Sunday haven’t held substance with me. I got the feeling that he was trying to minimise any comeback from the team’s sponsors and part

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25 minutes ago, OldBerkshireBoy said:

Sure but dont change the rule book to create a better spectacle.

Qualify that by adding ‘with one lap to go to the end of the race, guaranteed to favour one driver.’

Sadly, this has made F1 and the governing body look utterly stupid in front of a watching world.  Would the FA change the rules of a football match with three minutes of the game to go?  I can’t imagine they’d get away with it.

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Let’s face it Mercedes goofed up Hamilton’s win .. They had plenty of time to bring him in for tyres.. Lewis did ask a couple of times about coming in but told him to stay out.. So bad management at the end of the day. He gave it his best shot in the end, but Max pipped him to the post and what a lap that was.. Fantastic.. 

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I used to be a massive F1 fan but my interest had definitely waned in recent years with the team orders stuff a while back.   I decided to watch today’s race to give it another chance but no more after the changing the rules as they went along. Glad we cancelled our Sky Sports subscription as F1 was the only reason we had it. 

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Mercedes goofed up nothing. Max wasnt closing in on Lewis until the rule book was torn up!

Yes they did goofed up .. they left him out there on 40 lap plus tyres he was loosing heat and traction.. The rule book was ripped up on the first lap by not letting max take lead position... You can’t have your cake and eat it can you .. 

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Well, that’s Mercedes protests rejected! I don’t think it will end there though? FIA (and Masi) have made F1 a complete farce! Who are the losers in all this? I suspect everyone from sponsors through to fans of the sport. Time for a reset methinks and use the winter period to sort out the mess and debacle that F1 has now become.

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Yes they did goofed up .. they left him out there on 40 lap plus tyres he was loosing heat and traction.. The rule book was ripped up on the first lap by not letting max take lead position... You can’t have your cake and eat it can you .. 

Two very different things.

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40 minutes ago, ScrumpyCheddar said:

Let’s face it Mercedes goofed up Hamilton’s win .. They had plenty of time to bring him in for tyres.. Lewis did ask a couple of times about coming in but told him to stay out.. So bad management at the end of the day. He gave it his best shot in the end, but Max pipped him to the post and what a lap that was.. Fantastic.. 

All that is completely immaterial.  The FIA changed 2 rules which suited Red Bull.  Utter nonsense - you cannot change rules in the middle of a race.  The sport has totally lost all credibility, along with Masi and his team.

Shameful.  Disgraceful. Farcical.

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Moving on ... 
 

Good luck to Kimi on his retirement..  Will be missed especially his one word replies 🤣...

And the 13” tyre had it last race ... 2022 brings in the 18” low profile tyre so the poor old Pirelli tyre fitting boys will have there work cut out fitting them.

Also Next year is going to be Ross Brawn and Pat symonds last year.. 

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to clarify a number of issues some more casual observers might be a little confused about. 

The incident on lap one did not require Hamilton to surrender the lead to Verstappen as he did not gain an advantage during the manoeuvre, he led the race prior to it, and he did not leave the track intentionally, he was forced to do so to avoid a collision with a car moving across on him, the sporting regulations are quite clear that in this case the driver does not need to concede a place. 

Once the virtual and subsequent full safety cars were employed Mercedes were in a no win position, they could not stop to change tyres, as the leading team if they had stopped then Verstappen would not have stopped and gained track position. The decision not to stop under the earlier virtual safety car was proving to be quite correct, Verstappen was not catching Hamilton anything like quickly enough to win the race until the crash which deployed the full safety car five laps from the end. Again Mercedes could not risk stopping Hamilton and allowing Verstappen to pass him at a time when it was by no means certain there would be another racing lap. Red Bull by comparison had nothing to lose and understandably rolled the dice. Mercedes would have done the same if the situations were reversed. 

Sorry scrumpy but your assessment of the pit strategy is totally wrong. 

The issue which may well haunt the FIA and see this rumble on in the courts for months to come is the manner in which the race was restarted. The rules say that lapped cars CAN be allowed to overtake, effectively unlap themselves but it does not say they must. Race control decided they would not clear the lapped cars meaning there were a number of lapped cars between Hamilton, leading the race and Verstappen who was second. Red Bull contested that decision and suddenly it was changed and ONLY the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen were instructed to pass, clearing the way for Verstappen to pass Hamilton and win the title. There was no way given the difference in tyre compound and wear that Hamilton could defend the lead. The issue is that the regulations, and I have read them again before posting make no provision for SOME lapped cars to be cleared and not others. If all lapped cars had been told to clear the leader this would have needed another lap of safety car to achieve and the race would have ended behind it. This will be Mercedes argument in court, that the race control acted outside the regulations. 

Had the race restarted with the lapped cars still in place Verstappen might still have won the race, but also we will never know. 

Whatever the outcome in the courts the massive damage is to formula 1 itself. A huge wedge of distrust has been driven between the FIA and it's major team, between the FIA and it's (non Dutch) fans. I wonder if Liberty Media realise what harm has been done. 

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