Marina on the Waveney ?

[Joshly]

Yes you are right, the Priory Farm is a very good place to have a meal, as is the Bell with its own moorings.

The Garage is good for a car service and Richard at Johnsons Yacht Station is very helpful for most services, but without fuel and pump out services.

Since we started drawing attention to the mess the Marina has caused, especially when viewed from the river, some boats have been burnt to get rid of them and others removed. Even so the bank is littered with rubbish vessels never to see the water again. And they are in our back yard!

We don't want the Marina developed into another holiday camp with two storey chalets littering the skyline attracting undesirables to holiday, going on nicking trips around the community before returning home with the spoils of their activity, a real issue in other Broads holiday communities according to the Police!

Hence we want it to stay as a marina for boat activity not banks raised to build upon with riverside moorings provided by the recent planning application to put moorings alongside the River Waveney.

The big plan needs to be appreciated to see what the activity is all about.

If in doubt look at the planning applications of 2007/8 rejected by both EA and BA on flooding grounds because the land was not high enough.

Hence our concerns and activity.

[Bound2Please]

Yes you are right, the Priory Farm is a very good place to have a meal, as is the Bell with its own moorings.

The Garage is good for a car service and Richard at Johnsons Yacht Station is very helpful for most services, but without fuel and pump out services.

Since we started drawing attention to the mess the Marina has caused, especially when viewed from the river, some boats have been burnt to get rid of them and others removed. Even so the bank is littered with rubbish vessels never to see the water again. And they are in our back yard!

We don't want the Marina developed into another holiday camp with two storey chalets littering the skyline attracting undesirables to holiday, going on nicking trips around the community before returning home with the spoils of their activity, a real issue in other Broads holiday communities according to the Police!

Hence we want it to stay as a marina for boat activity not banks raised to build upon with riverside moorings provided by the recent planning application to put moorings alongside the River Waveney.

The big plan needs to be appreciated to see what the activity is all about.

If in doubt look at the planning applications of 2007/8 rejected by both EA and BA on flooding grounds because the land was not high enough.

Hence our concerns and activity.

 

Well in 1974 the Beever Fleet with their New Generation fleet were based in there. At that time they had pump out small shop etc. It was well tidy and looked after. But a few years later they were removed and then opperated from the riverside. All what they had there was demolished. Not sure why though

[SPEEDTRIPLE]

Strange that - I don't remember any real opposition to any marina plans in Horning!! There were a few to Lens development but none of any magnitude!! And to prove the point it now looks as though it was meant to be there all along.

 

As to his new houses, if indeed that is what you are referring to, both of those new properties are better than what was there so to be honest, and indeed in most commentators views, he has improved that area as well - beauty and new houses, are often in the eye of the beholder and you will always get some detractors who want the Broads full of old woodies and dilapidated houses but forget that without the holiday trade which has to move with the times to attract punters, the Broads would be a much poorer place!!!

 

Invest or die is appropriate here ( although you might be talking about a  totally different development!!!)

 

Hi Marshman,

 

going on your example of invest or die, would you then aggree with many peoples views that it would be better to invest in modernising Potter Heigham so the old stone bridge should be removed then, or would they be tter off in letting the upper Thurne area die, which is exactly what has been going on for some time now.

 

Don`t forget "invest or die", it`s in your post i`ve quoted above.

[Joshly]

I recall the Beaver Fleet, dark blue hulls if I can remember, 50 years ago though!

I was hiring Summercraft-Graciuos Girl, Norfolk Knights-their new fibreglass sailing motor cruiser, and Brinkcraft- Brink of Peace, Brink of Harmony,and a Brink Broom Ocean 42 I believe, all lovely boats but the Broom was an offshore boat with high freeboard, looked impressive but totally unsuitable for Broads work. Rubbish to fish off.

On the subject of our fantastic old bridges, if funds permitted I would divert the river to one side and have a new bridge built that was larger to allow access to the upper reaches by bigger craft, keeping the old one in place.

Some might say keeping big boats at bay have protected the upper reaches of this area, its all down to personal opinions I guess.

[JennyMorgan]

The marina at St Olaves is between Gt Yarmouth and Norwich, it's reasonably well placed for bling boats that want the option of Broads or briney, it's more easily accessed than the Waveney River Centre, probably easier than much of Brundall, yet it remains as it is. The Waveney River Centre shows what can be achieved, despite being well off the beaten track. The Boathouse on The Trinity Broads is also a good example of what can be done besides the water. Good development needn't be a magnet for thieving scum. I'm quite sure that the marina could be a jewel in St Olave's crown, if both it and the community wanted it. 

[Joshly]

Its not what you do its the way that you do it!

[keifsmate]

Hylander, just a throw away line!! Haven't yet learnt that they are not always appropriate!!!!!

[marshman]

I suppose Speedtriple I must answer your post about Potter Heigham but just at this moment cannot see the relevance of the Bridge!!!

 

But as for investment thats exactly what HW have done and by so doing continue to be one of the leading holiday businesses in the area - exactly my point!!

 

But back to Potter bridge - you take a poll amongst those who live here and have a real interest in the Broads not just as a holiday destination but as a UNIQUE wetland in the whole of Europe and you will see you are sadly mistaken - I believe virtually everyone would say keep it as it is, as an example of what the Broads USED to be like. Open it up and it would be like the rest of the Broads which even to this day I love, but nothing compared to the special attraction the area of the Broads above the bridge has .I guarantee that people with ideas such as yours will not be allowed to turn into an area like the rest of the Broads - not that there is much wrong with that but above the bridge as you know it is magical. And so it will stay IMHO especially as most people wishing to do so can still enjoy it as it once was - there is ample opportunity to so do with the facilities that are available and even you can do that!!!

[JennyMorgan]

No one is actually denied the wonders above Potter Bridge, hiring a dayboat from Whispering Reeds is good!

[BroadAmbition]

I used to find the subject of 'Opening it up'  thereby destroying the upper Thurne annoying - nowadays I find it amusing.

 

Hypothetically speaklng if Potter Brigde was removed or raised up, it would not have a huge impact on the upper Thurne.  The many larger 'Broads' craft could still not get up there - fact

 

Why?  bacause time and time again folk who should know better neglect to mention or forget that the bypass bridge limits airdraft to only 13" higher than what Potter bridge allows at present!

 

So come the day when I win BIG on the Euro Millions lets say I raise Potter Bridge up to the same height as the bypass bridge (Thats a 13" extra clearance) - that means at average high water the clearance would still be only 7ft 7". 

 

 

Those figures are supplied in the Broads Tide Tables produced by the BA, in reality we all know there is usually less than 6ft 6" at High water.  we are lucky if we see 6ft8" at low water.

 

So to recap raising phb WOULD help a lot of boats but not the whole majority due to the bypass bridge - Sheesh    Is it only me that can see that?

 

 

Griff

[Joshly]

Take your point Griff,

I guess it depends on who you want top sides of PHB.

If you are a nature lover you will find a way.

If you are a broads hire cruiser user you probably won't want access anyway, not the pub and restaurant scene up there unless its changed dramatically.

I say keep the navigation as it is and let businesses above the bridge meet the needs of a different clientele

There are plenty of broads with local eateries that are not accessible to hire craft, especially above Acle.

Keep it as it is I say, or rather keep it but improve the facilities.

IMHO

[JennyMorgan]

Personally I think that Marshman nailed it fair and square.

[C.Ricko]

We built about 40 boats for the Beaver fleet in the early 70s most went to France though..

[JawsOrca]

Knock down Potter bypass bridge too....      

 

I'd like to think that the majority of comments about bypassing these bridges are said with tongue in cheek and maybe a degree of jealousy for those lucky souls who can get through.. As much as I would love to get through I respect that it's special beyond and therefore it must stay special.. we can't have it all  

[Joshly]

For fear of being shot down yet again, I seem to be developing a thicker skin nowadays, this is my take on the subject.

Private craft owners buy boats that take them where they want to go, for example, from Brundal to Oulton for a drink with similar like minded inappropriate vessels for the Broads.

Others that may want to gain access to the upper reaches buy smaller boats that can easily gain access through lower bridges.

Hire boaters with larger vessels, in the main with large families or numerous guests do not usually seek out remote venues, they like the more entertaining stay overs in the larger shopping areas.

Those that like the quiet life, a bit of sailing, relaxation and fishing are usually the specialist users or older generation who would own or hire a smaller craft that can access these areas and by doing so get away from the noise and disturbance created by larger parties.

So it seems it works well, the bridges are filters sorting the naturalists from the undesirables.

[ranworthbreeze]

Lets be honest, if you wish to go beyond Potter Heigham or for that matter Wroxham, you can always hire a range of dayboats to travel beyond these bridges.

Regards

Alan

[donnygeoff]

So it seems it works well, the bridges are filters sorting the naturalists from the undesirables.

So, for my wife's birthday we hired Petite Gem, a nice small boat, nice and cosy, and of course it fits under Potter, so at the right tide we got a pilot to take us through, returning the next day......

I AM A NATURALIST

On another occasion, we hired again from Richardsons, but went for a larger boat, this would not pass under Potter bridge........

I AM AN UNDESIRABLE

Edited January 15, 2015 by BroadScot
Coz Geoff asked it to be changed :-)

[diesel falcon]

C an i be an undersirable please!!  (

[quo vadis]

You already are

[2poofsandMum]

I will get me coat

[donnygeoff]

Well spotted with your Eagle (falcon) eyes Trev.
 
Any chance someone could change UNDERSIRABLE to something that resembles a word.....
 
Maybe change it to UNDESIRABLE, that might work.

 

 

[BroadScot]

Well spotted with your Eagle (falcon) eyes Trev.

 

Any chance someone could change UNDERSIRABLE to something that resembles a word.....

 

Maybe change it to UNDESIRABLE, that might work.

 

Job done Geoff

 

Iain

[MauriceMynah]

Ahh, so no takers for a share holding in the Walter Mitty Catfield canal company then!

The proposed route for this new navigation was from Barton broad to Hickling broad via Catfield. One two way lock to stop any tidal flow, posh housing on the north side and a mixture of 24hr and liveaboard moorings the other.

[Joshly]

What are you lot on?

[ExSurveyor]

Prescription medication and alcohol.