Corona Virus

[marshman]

Forget the Press - most people would regard the Daily Mail as mainstream and sadly, it is far from it!

Repeat just the advice given out by the NHS and official Govt sites please

[WherryNice]

I wouldn't include the press, some of what I saw live broadcast from the PM n co on YouTube last night has been(IMO)distorted to sound sensational!

We need a free press but it would be nice if they knew when to wind their necks in a bit.

[webntweb]

10 minutes ago, marshman said:

Forget the Press - most people would regard the Daily Mail as mainstream and sadly, it is far from it!

Repeat just the advice given out by the NHS and official Govt sites please

Even 30 years ago when I worked on five national titles I would only trust, for fairness and honest reporting, the Daily Telegraph (except for its editorial page which was slightly to the right of Genghis Khan).

Nowadays I wouldn't trust any of them except when they are quoting, in full, a recognised source.

[Islander]

 

This says it all.

Colin 

[Vaughan]

6 minutes ago, Islander said:

This says it all.

Not quite!

It still says "should" and not "must".

It is high time that government started issuing instructions instead of just advice. This would allow businesses to apply existing conditions of hire (for instance) which are designed to protect the business as well as the customer.

For the local councils and government to simply throw their tourist industry to the four winds by just saying "don't come to Norfolk" is, frankly, shameful.

 

[Islander]

The first sentence says enough. Trips to holiday homes, boats, caravans are not essential travel. If people don't follow this simple request we will end up with total lockdown.

Colin

[vanessan]

17 minutes ago, Islander said:

The first sentence says enough. Trips to holiday homes, boats, caravans are not essential travel. If people don't follow this simple request we will end up with total lockdown.

Colin

And maybe that is the way to go now, at least everyone will know where they are. (Or should be!)

[Vaughan]

17 minutes ago, Islander said:

If people don't follow this simple request we will end up with total lockdown.

Yes. Just like the rest of western Europe and surely, now inevitable?

[grendel]

18 minutes ago, Islander said:

The first sentence says enough. Trips to holiday homes, boats, caravans are not essential travel. If people don't follow this simple request we will end up with total lockdown.

Colin

Actually you are misquoting there as I have highlighted the word you have added to the official advice. additionally in multi occupancy households if one peson catches the virus and there is a vulnerable person there, the answer surely would be for either the sick person or the vulnerable one (whichever is in a better state to travel to head for the boat to self isolate)

[Islander]

Correct Peter, I think similar includes boats etc. You may notice I referred to the first sentence but notice I didn't put it in quotation marks. .

Colin

 

[grendel]

I think boats are slightly different as caravans tend to congregate in herds on caravan parks (which is sort of concentrating all of them in small areas), boats however are capable of mooring up in distant and isolated spots (or just in the middle of a broad), I hesitate to say all boats as I would think its only the broads that gives such unique opportunities to isolate oneself from the rest of humanity in this way, at least canal boats are stretched out along a canal bank with their main access areas 60 foot from the next boats access mostly, and like you say for some the boat is their primary residence, should we be asking for suspension of the 24 hour limits on the moorings.

[Meantime]

I have to say that the way people moor at public moorings leaving large gaps between boats, they have been practising social distancing for a number of years now

[ChrisB]

1 hour ago, Vaughan said:

Not quite!

It still says "should" and not "must".

It is high time that government started issuing instructions instead of just advice. This would allow businesses to apply existing conditions of hire (for instance) which are designed to protect the business as well as the customer.

For the local councils and government to simply throw their tourist industry to the four winds by just saying "don't come to Norfolk" is, frankly, shameful.

 

They need the passage of the Coronavirus Bill. Then the asking will stop.

The Scottish First Minister made it very clear to the pubs up there that are not doing as requested and staying open, that the legislation is only a matter of days away and they will be shut down.

[Islander]

EastCoastIPA.....

[grendel]

well the latest update at work has seen the few of us left after the vulnerable ones were sent to work from home, and all those with laptops were told to work from home, and all those whose kids are out of school have been sent home, is that everyone has been spaced as far apart from each other as possible, there are 6 people (of 20) plus 3 bosses all 6 of the employees have been moved such that they are not sitting next to or opposite anyone (my nearest companion is over 3 metres away, facing away from me).  it seems a wise precaution to take if possible.

as one of the few that cannot work from home (desktop machine with specialist software on it) that shows me that at least they are taking the steps they can to stop us coming down with the virus.

[Islander]

22 minutes ago, grendel said:

should we be asking for suspension of the 24 hour limits on the moorings.

At least turn a blind eye to it and have the Rangers keep a good stock of electric cards as most of the outlets will be closed including the BA offices.

Colin 

[addicted]

There seems to be a lot of criticism of the government not  being tough enough which I think it is bit unfair as I believe their MO was -  rather than come down heavy handed and dictatorial it was best to leave it to the great British public to do the "right thing" of their own volition with advice on what that was. Unfortunately some of  the great British public let  Boris down, which is sad. The publicity emphasising that the over 70s, or in poor health section was vulnerable left those who do not fall into to either  category thinking that they are fairly safe from the possibility of dying even if they catch it  - the aspect of them causing someone else to die by passing it on  is not occurring to them. They are being told this they are just not listening.

 

 

Carole

[grendel]

unfortunately i believe that facebook and social media have generated a generation of very selfish people who have no thoughts about consequences, they see something happening in front of them and their first thought isnt to step in and stop it, its to step back get their phone out and be the first person to get it on facebook, or twitter- or whatever.

as I said earlier, things are changing rapidly, I have now been asked if I can work from home by remotely logging into my work machine from my Home PC, I have had to set up multi factor authentication to allow this (just in case) and we are now told that instead of shutting our machines down at the end of the day to leave them turned on to facilitate this. as I have 4 possible machines available at home this should not present an issue, I might need to sort out an office area though.

[JennyMorgan]

3 minutes ago, grendel said:

I might need to sort out an office area though.

I'm sure that you can clear a corner in your workshop!

[grendel]

1 minute ago, JennyMorgan said:

I'm sure that you can clear a corner in your workshop!

thats full of tools.

[JennyMorgan]

5 minutes ago, grendel said:

unfortunately i believe that facebook and social media have generated a generation of very selfish people who have no thoughts about consequences,

It is thought by many that the Me-Me-Me-Me culture dates back to when a certain lady was in power rather than to the more recent phenomenon of FaceBook. 

[JennyMorgan]

1 minute ago, grendel said:

thats full of tools.

The other corner then, with a little bit of space on the workbench.

[rightsaidfred]

28 minutes ago, addicted said:

There seems to be a lot of criticism of the government not  being tough enough which I think it is bit unfair as I believe their MO was -  rather than come down heavy handed and dictatorial it was best to leave it to the great British public to do the "right thing" of their own volition with advice on what that was. Unfortunately some of  the great British public let  Boris down, which is sad. The publicity emphasising that the over 70s, or in poor health section was vulnerable left those who do not fall into to either  category thinking that they are fairly safe from the possibility of dying even if they catch it  - the aspect of them causing someone else to die by passing it on  is not occurring to them. They are being told this they are just not listening.

 

 

Carole

A sad sign of todays society,  there was a time when the governments approach would have been sufficient without the need for legislation.

Fred

[Paul]

Whilst in general I think our government are doing a reasonably good job recent advice has been a little contradictory. Only yesterday the Prime Minister said that it was important to get outside, going for a walk etc was important for our physical and mental well being but then in the next breath said we should not leave or homes unless absolutely necessary. 

Bear in mind these times are almost unprecedented. You can have as many experts as you like but it's still largely make it up as you go along. I thought Boris looked really tired and haggard yesterday. We should remember the strain that this puts on those in charge before we choose to be too critical. 

I hope the Coronavirus bill will cover the actions of children not in school. I drove in to town this morning to get bread and milk and the local park was packed, lots of groups of children hanging around. Jamie is home schooling as of today, he has work tasks set by his teacher plus lessons I will set for him in areas where he needs to catch up a bit. I do wonder at parents letting their kids congregate at this time. 

[Smoggy]

27 minutes ago, grendel said:

thats full of tools.

One more went hurt then...

Sorry Grendel, couldn't resist.