Coronavirus And The Broads

[MauriceMynah]

I'm not really certain who Piers Morgan is apart from some sort of celebrity TV personality.

[Broads01]

13 hours ago, Vaughan said:

Le Boat are saying that they estimate opening in France on June 15th and on the Thames on 12th June. 

I don't understand how Le Boat can estimate 12th June for the Thames. As I understand the UK rules at the moment don't permit non-essential stays overnight anywhere away from home.

[BroadAmbition]

I don't understand how Le Boat can estimate 12th June for the Thames. As I understand the UK rules at the moment don't permit non-essential stays overnight anywhere away from home.

I'm with you on this one, I don't understand it either.  Perhaps Le Boat know something we and our government don't?

Griff

[Wonderwall]

41 minutes ago, BroadAmbition said:

I don't understand how Le Boat can estimate 12th June for the Thames. As I understand the UK rules at the moment don't permit non-essential stays overnight anywhere away from home.

I'm with yo.

 

41 minutes ago, BroadAmbition said:

  Perhaps Le Boat know something  our government don't?

Griff

Well,that wouldn't be hard 

I am booked for a week end of June , it ain't happening though , is it? 

[Vaughan]

7 hours ago, BroadAmbition said:

I don't understand how Le Boat can estimate 12th June for the Thames. As I understand the UK rules at the moment don't permit non-essential stays overnight anywhere away from home.

I'm with you on this one, I don't understand it either.  Perhaps Le Boat know something we and our government don't?

Don't ask me, I'm only "reading what it says here"!

I don't even know if they will have enough staff left to make this new operation work. Their management are famous for cutting down on staff as they think that a boatyard can be run off a computer screen, somewhere in America. We shall see!

[Maxwellian]

They might just be using it to control the number of cancellations or bookings they need to move.

[MauriceMynah]

13 hours ago, MauriceMynah said:

I think the government is doing as good a job as it can, and I for one am sick to death of people criticizing it's every move.

I have no doubt that I shall be criticized for this post, but to be honest I no longer care! 

Lastdraft quoted the above and said...

12 hours ago, Lastdraft said:

The highest death toll in Europe still rising, slowest to react to the pandemic, little or no PPE in place, ministers and advisors disregarding their own advice, contradicting and confusing daily press conferences, and that's a good job ?   Its a good job Piers Morgan isn't on this forum !

and FreedomBoatingHols said...

12 hours ago, FreedomBoatingHols said:

Quite how Maurice can consider the is government doing a good job is beyond me. The death numbers alone are staggering and the closest thing it has to anything being "world beating". 

Sadly the post I made defending my statement to which you and Lastdraft  inaccurately refer  has been removed. This means that you both may continue to attack the government, I however am not allowed to defend them. 

[Hylander]

4 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

Lastdraft quoted the above and said...

and FreedomBoatingHols said...

Sadly the post I made defending my statement to which you and Lastdraft  inaccurately refer  has been removed. This means that you both may continue to attack the government, I however am not allowed to defend them. 

Hindsight may I remind you is a wonderful thing.     We can all be wise after the event.    I am not defending the Government and MM has some good points.      Lets face it I think we are all a bit 'on edge' to put it mildly wondering whether or not things are going to go t.ts up once more.   I pray that it does not and some kind of normality will return.    

[Hylander]

9 hours ago, MauriceMynah said:

I'm not really certain who Piers Morgan is apart from some sort of celebrity TV personality.

P...s  Morgan is an overpaid,    self important, rich beyond comprehension,  bully of a  journalist, who works at ITV on a morning programme.  Big fish in a little puddle. The programme runs perfectly well without him when he is not there and it is a blessed relief.  He does make some good points at time but by God can he go on an on an on an on.     Wish at times I had a gag.

Definition of an expert -   an ex is a has been and a spurt is a little drip.

[Poppy]

11 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said:

Lastdraft quoted the above and said...

and FreedomBoatingHols said...

Sadly the post I made defending my statement to which you and Lastdraft  inaccurately refer  has been removed. This means that you both may continue to attack the government, I however am not allowed to defend them. 

Mine too . I was not defending them.

It's clear that the mods think we are unable to behave like adults !

[MauriceMynah]

1 minute ago, Poppy said:

Mine too . I was not defending them.

I know !!! I criticized your post too !!

[marshman]

Just to make some of you, including Andy Banner perhaps feel better, I have just read a quote from Hugh Pennington, one of Britains leading specialists in bacteriology for many many years, who has said he sees no evidence of further peaks in deaths.As you all know I am not an expert but he does a pretty impressive track record and letters after his name!!!

He bases his view on the fact that others are using flu as a modelling system, yet Covid19 has no relationship with that whatsoever - we shall see won't we but I do hope this will prove to be correct and he is right, just to prove most of the doomsayers, including those spouting on here,wrong!

[grendel]

8 minutes ago, marshman said:

I have just read a quote from Hugh Pennington, one of Britains leading specialists in bacteriology for many many years,

Its a shame this is a virus not bacteria then , otherwise he would be eminently qualified.

[Chelsea14Ian]

In the main I have supported  the Government, Im far from a natural  Tory.That said as I've said overall  I've stood by them.This is something none of us has suffered  before.What I think is some major  mistakes is:The Cummings business.Support for this man that it appears helped  write the rules but then just did he's own thing.Boris should  have had the balls and sack him.They say we are coming  out of this.Yesterday over 300 dead,really.From Monday anyone arriving at airports will have to isolate. Lets say someone arrives at Heathrow  then travelling  to London,no doubt using public transport. That makes it a mockery surely.Track and truce,not sure that's working properly. Personally I am concerned if I get this I may die.I want to get out of this mass as soon as possible, but to do so the infection and death rates must come down.Yes I think the Government have done alot of good work,but there are some major questions  that must be answered. 

[marshman]

I happen to know a bit more about the guy than perhaps you do, and that off the cuff comment is a little out of place in fact !!!!

[Meantime]

34 minutes ago, marshman said:

Just to make some of you, including Andy Banner perhaps feel better, I have just read a quote from Hugh Pennington, one of Britains leading specialists in bacteriology for many many years, who has said he sees no evidence of further peaks in deaths.As you all know I am not an expert but he does a pretty impressive track record and letters after his name!!!

He bases his view on the fact that others are using flu as a modelling system, yet Covid19 has no relationship with that whatsoever - we shall see won't we but I do hope this will prove to be correct and he is right, just to prove most of the doomsayers, including those spouting on here,wrong!

Indeed Covid19 is more closely related to the common cold which are both Corona Virus's and we still don't have a cure for the common cold and it still comes back year after year.

[marshman]

I am sorry you got a smacked wrist over that MM because I had been in the middle of a long post pointing out that the poster, whose post probably started this, was himself deluded in passing the blame to HMG!!!!

Even if it were true, and it probably isn't, the the amount of negativity creeping into a lot of the posts, and allowed, is depressingly large but IMHO is the fault of the media who delight in treating every fact, many biased in their favour, as confirmation that impending doom is just around the corner. Let me tell you , it isnt!

But this doom mongering and fixation with death being the overriding principle is getting depressingly overpowering, like concentrating on mooring posts, ropes and taps, and latches when the risks are minuscule, and so small to be incalculable. As I have said before, and before again, its here and we have to live with it, but if you cannot adapt, the wider consequences to things like the future, are even worse, yes even worse than more and pretty limited now, deaths.

If you think that the whole economy is unimportant, then I am afraid it is a very naive view and people will regret that. To me the prospect of several million unemployed is far more concerning, and whilst I am not a supporter of the present incumbent, we need to get people back to work, and especially children, the least affected, back to school to enable life to begin to operate again with a degree of normality. I can see the benefits of furloughing but it has a downside too - the sheer cost and the fact it creates the view that the State is always there to support you - it isnt! 

[grendel]

the posts were hidden as they were getting eminently political and were nothing to do with the broads, bearing in mind this is the corona virus and the broads thread, and that non broads related politics is frowned upon.

Apologies to those who quoted the political post and had their posts removed.

[Poppy]

35 minutes ago, marshman said:

I happen to know a bit more about the guy than perhaps you do, and that off the cuff comment is a little out of place in fact !!!!

And I'm certain that he knows far more about viuses than anybody on here !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Pennington

[Poppy]

3 minutes ago, grendel said:

the posts were hidden as they were getting eminently political and were nothing to do with the broads, bearing in mind this is the corona virus and the broads thread, and that non broads related politics is frowned upon.

Apologies to those who quoted the political post and had their posts removed.

There is a seperate Coronavirus thread. Maybe moving them to that thread would have been more appropriate !

[Ray]

Holding government to account is not party political

Saying another party would/ could have done better is party political

I haven't read a single post by anyone doing the latter.

[Oddfellow]

1 hour ago, MauriceMynah said:

Lastdraft quoted the above and said...

and FreedomBoatingHols said...

Sadly the post I made defending my statement to which you and Lastdraft  inaccurately refer  has been removed. This means that you both may continue to attack the government, I however am not allowed to defend them. 

I maintain that its is very hard to defend the indefensible. I often feel that this action is undertaken by someone with something to gain directly or by somebody who is unappreciative of the problem. As each hour rolls by, more and more voices are heard telling us how awful it is, often from scientists and epidemiologists and yesterday the UK Statistics Authority for the government delivering testing figures that were designed to show the biggest numbers rather than a true reflection of the situation. 

I really do wish I could support this bozo and his henchmen through this crisis as we need absolute unity.

As for Marshman complaining about negativity. Show me some positivity. I struggle to see how 50,000 extra people dead has a silver lining unless it's economic and money is the only concern. 

Bringing this back to the Broads, there is a significant risk still. The East is one of the hardest hit areas in terms of deaths, second only to the North East. Those of us that live here are fully justified in their concern.

 

[grendel]

1 minute ago, Ray said:

Holding government to account is not party political

Saying another party would/ could have done better is party political

I haven't read a single post by anyone doing the latter.

I have - it was hidden

[Ray]

Just now, grendel said:

I have - it was hidden

I should have thought of that! Apologies Grendel

[Meantime]

5 minutes ago, grendel said:

the posts were hidden as they were getting eminently political and were nothing to do with the broads, bearing in mind this is the corona virus and the broads thread, and that non broads related politics is frowned upon.

Apologies to those who quoted the political post and had their posts removed.

Frowned upon or not allowed? Your right to point out that this thread is about Corona virus and The Broads, so why are any posts left unedited that either defend the governments actions, or those that slate the governments actions. The government of the day is a Conservative government. Such discussions are inevitably about party politics as well.

I have personally chosen not to post much for the last couple of weeks, because way too many posts have become political and I've chosen to self moderate and not add to that unnecessary debate on this forum. I wish others would consider their political posts even if they are veiled political debates.