ExSurveyor Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Poppy said: Can you point out where I have criticised any extension of the furlough scheme? I was unaware that I had,either actually or by inference. You haven't criticised the furlough scheme extension, just used it as a means to suggest that lockdown will go on and on and on. 1 hour ago, Poppy said: Looks like the Lock down wil go on .. and on.. and on... An unfounded suggestion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said: You haven't criticised the furlough scheme extension, just used it as a means to suggest that lockdown will go on and on and on. An unfounded suggestion. We shall have to see, won't we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 sadly under the publication of misinformation clause of the new coronavirus 2020 act they are passing this speculation could lead to fines or imprisonment (which is one of the reasons we ask people not to pass on unsubstantiated speculation) its best to check here -https://sharechecklist.gov.uk/ before posting speculative items that might lead you into trouble. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Speculation is not misinformation, it is by definition speculative and not presented as fact. What next? The Thought Police! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ray said: Speculation is not misinformation, it is by definition speculative and not presented as fact. What next? The Thought Police! Thank you. Pehaps I am not as much of a Pollyanna as most here ( and not just on this topic. ) Be prepared is my stance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ray said: Speculation is not misinformation, it is by definition speculative and not presented as fact. What next? The Thought Police! did you check on the government checklist whether you are allowed to say that? :-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, grendel said: did you check on the government checklist whether you are allowed to say that? :-) That lookas like a 'spoof' site in itself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 unfortunately its a genuine government site, and indicates a path down which they are treading, any further comment by me would become far too political to be uttered upon here, but shades of George from 26 years back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockatoo Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, grendel said: sadly under the publication of misinformation clause of the new coronavirus 2020 act they are passing this speculation could lead to fines or imprisonment (which is one of the reasons we ask people not to pass on unsubstantiated speculation) its best to check here -https://sharechecklist.gov.uk/ before posting speculative items that might lead you into trouble. That's just blatant censorship 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, grendel said: sadly under the publication of misinformation clause of the new coronavirus 2020 act they are passing this speculation could lead to fines or imprisonment (which is one of the reasons we ask people not to pass on unsubstantiated speculation) its best to check here -https://sharechecklist.gov.uk/ before posting speculative items that might lead you into trouble. Genuine question - to which section of the Coronavirus Act 2020 are you referring, please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimbiIV Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 That's the new section that says. Rule 1 The government is always right. Rule 2 If the government is wrong rule 1 applies. paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Paladin, its part of the online harms bill, but has been related to the coronavirus act (and I have to admit I have not read it all), but it is among the areas we research to ensure the forum complies with the latest and upcoming legislation that might affect the forum and social media in general. I just receive the reports from our experts and do my best to ensure we stick within the guidelines. (and you lot all thought us moderators had an easy life). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, grendel said: Paladin, its part of the online harms bill, but has been related to the coronavirus act (and I have to admit I have not read it all), but it is among the areas we research to ensure the forum complies with the latest and upcoming legislation that might affect the forum and social media in general. I just receive the reports from our experts and do my best to ensure we stick within the guidelines. (and you lot all thought us moderators had an easy life). Thank you, grendel. Now knowing where to start, I have looked at the White Paper which was published earlier this year. The On-Line Harms Bill will not be enacted until 2023/24 at the earliest, so it seems you were rather premature in your assertion that members are at risk at the moment. I agree that misinformation should not be spread about, but I don't think genuine speculation falls in that category. This is, after all, a discussion forum and one of the points in the White Paper is that there should be freedom of expression. Expressing an opinion that the lock-down could extend beyond 2 December (which hasn't been discounted by HMG) is very different from, for example, suggesting that Covid-19 could be treated by injecting disinfectant (attr: Donald J Trump). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 it all then comes down to interpretation. or whether the inference that lockdown would be longer could be said to be a logical extension of the fact that the furlough scheme had been extended, or whether someone was just being a cheeky chappie when he suggested it. the fact is that the legislation is in the pipeline to control misinformation on the internet (and yes I too was being a cheeky chappie when I suggested it could be used in this instance) and that we as a forum need to be aware of it and its implications, particularly as you say where it has a bearing on the covid situation because as we have seen with the comment attributed to Donald Trump, even the greatest amongst us can fall foul of passing misinformation. You may take away from this that as a forum we are keeping an eye on current and future legislation that may come into being to ensure we comply and ensure the continuance of the forum by being ahead of the game in compliance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I thought better of it, I shall hold my own counsel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 It's my assertion that such as 'could' and 'may' are very far from 'false information ' . However, the suggestion that Trump could be included with 'the greatest amongst us' most cetainly is . (IMHO of course ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriceMynah Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, ChrisB said: I thought better of it, I shall hold my own counsel. I've been holding mine for ages. Fun isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I am more than happy with debate and discussion and to call into question the validity or legality of any statement or actions that impinge on any of us, where I stop is with unnecessary and irrelevant speculation on something that no one not even the authorities no the answer to. Fred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said: I've been holding mine for ages. Fun isn't it. Hurts your tongue though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSurveyor Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said: I've been holding mine for ages. Fun isn't it. Has your hand gone numb yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyMorgan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, psychicsurveyor said: Has your hand gone numb yet Blindness might also be a problem! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, MauriceMynah said: I've been holding mine for ages. Fun isn't it. I wondered why you were walking funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaughan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, JennyMorgan said: Blindness might also be a problem! This is what Matron used to tell us in Prep School. In all the years since, I don't think the "science" or the statistics, have had any effect whatever on my eyesight! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriceMynah Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 You'll all have to wait,,, I cant find my glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regulo Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 They're on your head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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